tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post173932064480162723..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Meltdown in progressRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13122871389552489612018-05-03T00:01:36.637-04:002018-05-03T00:01:36.637-04:00One thing to keep in mind is that Clarke did not b...One thing to keep in mind is that Clarke did not believe that the Son or the Spirit are creatures whom God created and brought into being. Rather, he clearly believed they were eternal/uncreated/beginningless but subordinate to the Father who was chief over them since they derived their Deity from him. So I don't know how this helps heretics like Tuggy.ben malikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11993258631360547914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54059109968960767402018-05-02T03:50:08.506-04:002018-05-02T03:50:08.506-04:00This is a complete mess. Indeed, 'Meltdown'...This is a complete mess. Indeed, 'Meltdown' is an appropriate term. As much as I disagree with Tuggy and loathe his theology and his academic snootiness, I take no pleasure in noting that he has been made to look foolish by the 'unqualified polemical blogger' Hays. The snootiness has backfired in spectacular fashion with Tuggy ranting and 'shrieking' like a 'blogger...with the philosophy skills of a C student...'! The irony is breathtaking and painful. Did Tuggy even pause to compose himself between reading Hays' review and 'reviewing' the review? Seldom does one see a case of an author tripping over themselves in such spectacular fashion.Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954530962872661952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22737185875462954672018-05-01T05:41:55.022-04:002018-05-01T05:41:55.022-04:00A lot of Unitarians appeal to Samuel Clarke's ...A lot of Unitarians appeal to Samuel Clarke's book and his proxies Arthur Ashley Sykes and John Jackson. But there were defenders of orthodox Trinitarianism during that time who responded to Clarke's views. Daniel Waterland is the most well known of those contemporary defenders in opposition to Clarke's views. I've collected some of Waterland's works <a href="http://trinitynotes.blogspot.com/2014/05/daniel-waterland-on-christs-divinity.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>. Other responders to Clarke during that time were John Edwards, Francis Gastrell, James Knight, Robert Nelson, Richard Mayo, Stephen Nye, Edward Welchman, Edward Wells and Edward Hawarden. Some of their works are at archive.org and google books. There are also George Bull's three works on the Trinity which were written just prior to Clarke's book to which Clarke responded. Bull's works [translated from the Latin] are also online at archive.org and google books.<br /><br />I'm about 60 pages (out of 494) from finishing Waterland's A Vindication of Christ's Divinity [which he wrote in response to John Jackson who defended Clarke's views, and who may have had help from Clarke. Since Clarke had promised not to write on the topic again]. Even assuming modern interpreters are generally correct in saying that Clarke better represented the actual views of Ante-Nicene, Nicene and Post-Nicene fathers than Waterland did, Waterland nevertheless exposes some of the faulty logic, translations, misrepresentations and non-sequiturs of Clarke and Jackson. BTW, I do plan to read Clarke's book that set off the controversy. So, Unitarians don't need to tell me to read Clarke. But have they, or are they willing to read Waterland and some of the others I've mentioned? Probably not.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18071390502059672602018-05-01T01:09:05.295-04:002018-05-01T01:09:05.295-04:00The biblical evidence existing in support of the T...The biblical evidence existing in support of the Trinity doctrine is simply overwhelming. This guy doesn't have a clue.Jesse Albrechthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01349321905468957335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-17601912891266778222018-04-30T23:19:03.781-04:002018-04-30T23:19:03.781-04:00“He's obsessed with me and my work”
I could b...“He's obsessed with me and my work”<br /><br />I could be wrong, but I’d be willing to bet there’s been more from Steve ober the years on Carrier than Tuggy. At least it would be close. Does that mean he’s obsessed with Carrier?Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128440109055839127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83776207122151784652018-04-30T18:42:59.817-04:002018-04-30T18:42:59.817-04:00“Hays is a...sectarian”
Can Dale name a NAPARC ch...“Hays is a...sectarian”<br /><br />Can Dale name a NAPARC church that wouldn’t have excommunicated him? How about any intentional Baptist church? Intentional Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox? Any credal abiding church? Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54327409932651567142018-04-30T16:32:06.434-04:002018-04-30T16:32:06.434-04:00Dale thinks “apostate” means the same thing no mat...Dale thinks “apostate” means the same thing no matter the context. That he won’t accept that he’s an apostate is mystifying. Maybe it’s because he seeks the approval of trinitarians, which is also a bit odd given he has renounced the triune God. Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.com