tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1467432886709133402..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Non-Presuppositionalist Nods towards PresuppositionalismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74852674739298038482007-12-18T21:55:00.000-05:002007-12-18T21:55:00.000-05:00SS: "Of course everyone thinks that their argument...SS: "Of course everyone thinks that their argument is irrefutatble...until it has been refuted."<BR/><BR/>No, not "of course," and not "everyone." Take presuppositionalists for example. Their "argument" (if you could even call it that) has been refuted on numerous occasions. But they still continue to think that their argument is irrefutable. It's even been shown that some presuppositionalist "arguments" aren't really even arguments in the first place. They champion what can rightfully be called the "transcendental <I>non</I>-argument for God," or TNAG. And it is with this that they try to TNAG non-believers, who just end up laughing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-8397696280933368832007-12-18T12:35:00.000-05:002007-12-18T12:35:00.000-05:00"Marston Choice's book totally dismantles this app..."Marston Choice's book totally dismantles this approach. There's no way anyone could overcome his argument."<BR/><BR/>Of course everyone thinks that their argument is irrefutatble...until it has been refuted.<BR/><BR/>"You're right that he shows the absurdity of the approach in both epistemology and apologetics."<BR/><BR/>Oh boy. Like I haven't heard that one before.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74875269495155684832007-12-18T10:21:00.000-05:002007-12-18T10:21:00.000-05:00More over, while you prepare us a rough outline of...More over, while you prepare us a rough outline of the argument present in these stellar books us poor bumpkins have not had the privilege of reading, tell us about the author as well. Any online info?<BR/><BR/>FredFred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28924261497155600742007-12-18T00:30:00.000-05:002007-12-18T00:30:00.000-05:00"Tony: The books we were talking about..."Tony, re..."Tony: The books we were talking about..."<BR/><BR/>Tony, read Fred's question again. He wasn't asking you to elaborate on the books.<BR/><BR/>Tony: "However, it's obvious that they will end up being combined into a book, give[n] the quality and nature of the material."<BR/><BR/>It's not obvious to me. Perhaps you or Sam could give us the gist of the "quality and nature of the material" you've both praised here? Maybe a rough outline?Chris Heltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11121225300389764249noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67692391760325955782007-12-17T19:51:00.000-05:002007-12-17T19:51:00.000-05:00The books we were talking about are availble prese...The books we were talking about are availble presently only in mongraph form. I think they are about $130 each, so I obviously don't own one. I'm not at school, so I don't have one handy. However, it's obvious that they will end up being combined into a book, give the quality and nature of the material.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51473822657816051332007-12-17T13:24:00.000-05:002007-12-17T13:24:00.000-05:00Sam, Tony, you care to elaborate on that "marston ...Sam, Tony, you care to elaborate on that "marston choice" author? I tried to Amazon and Google the guy and right now I am getting nothing. Is he like a Snuffleupagus or something?<BR/><BR/>FredFred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-60781992008492015682007-12-17T08:05:00.000-05:002007-12-17T08:05:00.000-05:00I read both Marston Choice's books. You're right t...I read both Marston Choice's books. You're right that he shows the absurdity of the approach in both epistemology and apologetics. I'd put Tina Weinss' works in the same category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-58367459590255741162007-12-17T04:31:00.000-05:002007-12-17T04:31:00.000-05:00Marston Choice's book totally dismantles this appr...Marston Choice's book totally dismantles this approach. There's no way anyone could overcome his argument.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57762211095660270182007-12-17T02:03:00.000-05:002007-12-17T02:03:00.000-05:00The presuppositional method seems to be the most B...The presuppositional method seems to be the most Biblical approach to apologetics.<BR/><BR/>I've been using it quite a lot lately and i've discovered something, the "new" atheism is hard to pin down.<BR/><BR/>When asking them to account for justification of the a priori categories for example they might go to such extremes as saying that logic is merely a function of language. Or even that language does not refer to fact etc.<BR/><BR/>If one wants to do apologetics these days, it seems to be necessary not only to know the methodology, but also to be quite well versed in modern analytic philosophy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12376590610440021682007-12-16T20:37:00.000-05:002007-12-16T20:37:00.000-05:00"the work of John Robbins"Funny!"the work of John Robbins"<BR/><BR/>Funny!Claudehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16705428441316701050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24690321594355211432007-12-16T13:10:00.000-05:002007-12-16T13:10:00.000-05:00Student,Please deduce that we have only been telli...Student,<BR/><BR/>Please deduce that we have only been telling half (not .4 or .6, but .5) of the story from propositions contained in the Bible. If you can't, then start your own blog and put your unjustified opinions over there.Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-23334878373597359272007-12-16T12:38:00.000-05:002007-12-16T12:38:00.000-05:00Student, check out the many discussions over at pu...Student, check out the many discussions over at puritanboard. Paul, as well as many others, have discussed Clark a number of times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-43168519688488900872007-12-16T10:05:00.000-05:002007-12-16T10:05:00.000-05:00As if we didn't know about Clark. Do a search of ...As if we didn't know about Clark. Do a search of the archives.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47092005493556468502007-12-16T07:57:00.000-05:002007-12-16T07:57:00.000-05:00Here's a link,http://www.trinityfoundation.org/Here's a link,<BR/><BR/>http://www.trinityfoundation.org/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44175999572052821452007-12-16T07:53:00.000-05:002007-12-16T07:53:00.000-05:00Having discovered the work of John Robbins over at...Having discovered the work of John Robbins over at the Trinity Foundation, and beginning a study of Gordon Clark, I realize that you guys have only been telling half the story of the presuppositionalist method.<BR/><BR/>More later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com