tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post116226714178347847..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Coming Out Of The ClosetRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162709966051477682006-11-05T01:59:00.000-05:002006-11-05T01:59:00.000-05:00hey Sean,Glad to see you're a John Frame fan now, ...hey Sean,<BR/><BR/>Glad to see you're a John Frame fan now, what, after you called him a heretic -n- all.<BR/><BR/>He isn't a TAGster, but he's a presuppositionalist. Guess you think the anti-hero is a Clarkian now!<BR/><BR/>Oh, by the way, how do you know that presuppositionalism without TAG is Clarkianism? Can you deduce that from Scripture?<BR/><BR/>No?<BR/><BR/>Oh, it must be another one of your unjustified opinions.Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162415559802897702006-11-01T16:12:00.000-05:002006-11-01T16:12:00.000-05:00Thanks for trying to explain it S&S, that explains...Thanks for trying to explain it S&S, that explains why quadrune rather than a 4 membered pantheon was being argued.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162412004474623892006-11-01T15:13:00.000-05:002006-11-01T15:13:00.000-05:00“What is presuppositionalism without . . . TAG?”Hm...“What is presuppositionalism without . . . TAG?”<BR/><BR/>Hmm . . . the Scripturalism of Gordon Clark.Sean Geretyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01483041680109436046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162305110559985672006-10-31T09:31:00.000-05:002006-10-31T09:31:00.000-05:00Anonymous,"I asked a question about that a few day...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>"I asked a question about that a few days ago (triune vs. half dozen gods)"<BR/><BR/>I'm still trying to learn the "ins and outs" of the TAG, but I think I can help. Polytheism is reductionistic, and thus, it doesn't solve the problem of the one and the many. You need a *transcendent* "One" to uphold such things as the laws of logic and the uniformity of nature. Furthermore, if I am not mistaken, the transcendent One must have diversity within the unity of His/its being in order to know anything outside itself. Aristotle's "thought thinking itself" god, who could only know itself (and thus, could not provide a ground for the uniformity of nature and laws of logic outside itself), is the logical conclusion of unitarianism. So, if there were to be "half a dozen gods", there would still have to exist a transcendent Being that gives everything else the grounding for existence itself.<BR/><BR/>[Note: If I have made any sloppy philosophical errors, it is because I am not a philosopher. I welcome correction.]<BR/><BR/>Paul,<BR/><BR/>"The only threat: thought experiments and made up worldviews which are basically the same as mine."<BR/><BR/>Aren't there sub-arguments that require *Revelation* in order to have epistemology (which would eliminate mere conceptual scheme "copy-cats" of Christianity)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162279557797675262006-10-31T02:25:00.000-05:002006-10-31T02:25:00.000-05:00What I've found interesting is that "Right-wing" V...What I've found interesting is that "Right-wing" Van Tillians, as you've called them, are willing to admit one's denial TAG is likely (if not certainly) due to immorality. I've had this thrown at me before. It strikes me analogous to J.S. Mill and others who claimed that to even challenge the idea that evils in this world consistitute powerful evidence (in fact) against God's existence is only due to the immorality of the theist. Like Peter van Inwagen has said in response to Mill and company, it seems entirely appropriate to respond to these Right-wing van Tillians, whoever they are, with: "Come off it!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162278117431382612006-10-31T02:01:00.000-05:002006-10-31T02:01:00.000-05:00Jimmy,I'd take you up on that beer, especially at ...Jimmy,<BR/><BR/>I'd take you up on that beer, especially at a UCLA football game.<BR/><BR/>I'm not at BTS.<BR/><BR/>NVA = Nullifidian Village Addle-pate<BR/><BR/>:-DErrorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162277630044529102006-10-31T01:53:00.000-05:002006-10-31T01:53:00.000-05:00Hahaha, Paul Manata, that's a pretty funny respons...Hahaha, <BR/>Paul Manata, that's a pretty funny response...<BR/> if ever I'm around your area, I wouldn't mind buying you beer (I personally don't drink), and talking about apologetics<BR/>But for now, UCLA midterms face me...<BR/>Are you still with BTS?<BR/>Your description of the NVA gives a whole new meaning to that acronym: NonVanTillian Atheists?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162277371839418752006-10-31T01:49:00.000-05:002006-10-31T01:49:00.000-05:00Jimmi,It depends on if you're speaking to their fa...Jimmi,<BR/><BR/>It depends on if you're speaking to their face or behind their back.<BR/><BR/>If I'm moderate then Frame's a left winger since I think he's wrong about a few things regarding TA's (for example, I think a TA *is* a unique and specific kind of argumen). <BR/><BR/>But to a "right-winger" I'm a left-winger.<BR/><BR/>If I talk to Frame to his face I'll call him a "moderate," because who wants to be a left-winger.<BR/><BR/>Some "right-winger's" who hear my view during our conversation would say, "okay, that's moderate." But when they tell their friends about it they'll call me a "left-winger."<BR/><BR/>But, I call them a right-winger to their face, hard, radical, or extreme right behind their back.<BR/><BR/>But then I guess a "righht-winger" might call Frame a "communist" since Frame can be viewed as wanting equal treatment for myriad apologetic arguments.<BR/><BR/>But to his face they'd never say that.<BR/><BR/>At any rate, I'd suggest calling everyone else a moderate Van Tillian (unless you're at an SCCCS conference, then you call them heretics) except the right-wingers. They seem to love the extreme and hard right designations. Some people need to feel like their on the outskirts. The constant state-of-war mindset keeps their reflexes quick.<BR/><BR/>God uses all sorts of means. We need Sgt. Elias' and Staff Sgt. Barnes' As long as no one gets too crazy, we can defeat the NVA.Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162271588323534662006-10-31T00:13:00.000-05:002006-10-31T00:13:00.000-05:00I asked a question about that a few days ago (triu...I asked a question about that a few days ago (triune vs. half dozen gods), thanks for posting that thread. I've only really seen your interactions with atheists, so it was interesting to see you take on other presuppositionalists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162271571506351192006-10-31T00:12:00.000-05:002006-10-31T00:12:00.000-05:00What's a Moderate VanTillian suppose to look like?...What's a Moderate VanTillian suppose to look like?<BR/>JOhn Frame?<BR/>What'a LEft VanTillian suppose to look like?<BR/>Francis Scaeffar (misspelled)?<BR/>What's an example of a right wing VanTillian?<BR/>Greg L. Bahnsen?<BR/>YOu have much to educate me, Paul Manata!<BR/>I have much to learnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com