tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post115633180639838529..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Does Combining Isaiah 22 With Matthew 16 Lead Us To A Papacy?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25918989623472596662014-05-19T19:57:05.725-04:002014-05-19T19:57:05.725-04:00The "key of David" is NOT the same as th...The "key of David" is NOT the same as the "keys of heaven". <br />The "key of David" was given to Jesus; Jesus is King. <br />The "keys of heaven" were given to the Church; The Church binds and looses sins through unforgiveness and forgiveness of sins. <br /><br />Augustine wrote (430 C.E.), "the Lord said: 'Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church,' that it be understood as built upon Him whom Peter confessed saying: 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,' and so Peter, called after this rock, represented the person of the Church which is built upon this rock, and has received 'the keys of the kingdom of heaven.' For, 'Thou art Peter' and not 'Thou art the rock' was said to him. But 'the rock was Christ,' in confessing whom, as also the whole Church confesses, Simon was called Peter."<br /><br />So, Christ is the Rock on which the Church is build on. Peter represented the Church. The Church was given the keys of heaven. <br /><br />The apostles are the foundation of the Church (Ephesians 2:20). Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07415581968247687640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1156378185665937962006-08-23T20:09:00.000-04:002006-08-23T20:09:00.000-04:00There's no problem with believing that a being oth...There's no problem with believing that a being other than God is a rock in some sense. Ephesians 2:20 doesn't refer to the apostles as "rocks", but the implication is that they're rocks or something similar. If Jesus is the cornerstone, then what does that imply about the apostles who are part of the foundation as well? Revelation 21:14 also suggests that the apostles are foundation stones. It's acceptable to see Peter as the rock of Matthew 16, and many scholars, including Protestant and Eastern Orthodox scholars, hold that position.<BR/><BR/>My post was meant to focus on Isaiah 22 as it relates to Matthew 16. To see my broader comments on Matthew 16, go to:<BR/><BR/>http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/06/was-papacy-established-by-christ-part.html<BR/><BR/>http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/06/was-papacy-established-by-christ-part_24.htmlJason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1156364662841435562006-08-23T16:24:00.000-04:002006-08-23T16:24:00.000-04:00I agree with this post, there is no other rock! T...I agree with this post, there is no other rock! There is no correlation between these passages...I do not believe that Catholics only are "the" Church as they are taught to believe, but I do believe they are part of the Church still. Just because there are some screwed up teachings in it doesn't mean their teachings condemn them to Hell.Heather Simpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10437249408151209110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1156340823205272092006-08-23T09:47:00.000-04:002006-08-23T09:47:00.000-04:00I would add that Catholic appeals to Peter as the ...I would add that Catholic appeals to Peter as the "rock" suffer from an analogous problem with respect to passages in the Psalms (i.e. Psalms 18, 19, 28, 42, 62, etc...). There are obvious statements as to the identity of the "Rock" in Deut. 32, 1 Sam. 2, 2 Sam. 22, and Isa. 44:8 especially; <BR/>"'Do not tremble, do not be afraid. <BR/> Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? <BR/> You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? <BR/> No, <B>there is no other Rock;</B> I know not one.'"EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1156338036595840462006-08-23T09:00:00.000-04:002006-08-23T09:00:00.000-04:00Furthermore, as Dr. White has pointed out, the key...Furthermore, as Dr. White has pointed out, the key of David referenced in Isaiah 22:22 is shown in Revelation 3:7 to be held by the Lord himself, and not Peter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com