tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post114053921352381244..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: I never sang for my fatherRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1140589072515856802006-02-22T01:17:00.000-05:002006-02-22T01:17:00.000-05:00JBJ, however, later wrote "The Liturgy Trap" http:...JBJ, however, later wrote "The Liturgy Trap" http://www.fpcr.org/blue_banner_articles/trap.htm -- possibly by way of expiation?<BR/><BR/>PS: 4given, please remove or pixellate your mugshot, as your beauty is tempting me to sin in my heart.Tom Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246157794276270490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1140578444783969682006-02-21T22:20:00.000-05:002006-02-21T22:20:00.000-05:00K7,You're getting very warm. It was either Scott H...K7,<BR/><BR/>You're getting very warm. It was either Scott Hahn or Matatics who, in prepping for his ordination exams in the PCA, I believe, was drilled by James Jordan. That experience may well have steered him in the smells-and-bells direction.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1140577544236573542006-02-21T22:05:00.000-05:002006-02-21T22:05:00.000-05:00So Scott Hahn doesn't understand Covenant Theology...So Scott Hahn doesn't understand Covenant Theology either... Considering Covenant Theology is Calvinism which is biblical doctrine that doesn't surprise.<BR/><BR/>He probably was under the influence of Auburn Avenue or Federal Vision or New Perspective on Paul types who put things soteriological into ecclesiology.UK67https://www.blogger.com/profile/15095910610517995965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1140571725361121012006-02-21T20:28:00.000-05:002006-02-21T20:28:00.000-05:00This brings up the Catholic (and Orthodox) approac...This brings up the Catholic (and Orthodox) approach to Matthew 23:9 ("Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven"), which is effectively to interpret it out of existence (here http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp is a typical example).<BR/><BR/>Rather than playing word-games with that sentence in isolation ("But you call your own dad 'Father'! And Paul calls Timothy his 'son'!"), we look at it in context, which is much less vulnerable to word-games. In the preceding verse ("But you are not to be called 'Rabbi [Teacher]', for you have only one Master and you are all brothers"), Jesus makes it clear that the structure of the church, at least among its adult members, is to be an egalitarian one -- "for you are all brothers" (ie, there is still room for the authority of husbands over wives and of both over children.)<BR/><BR/>When reading Scott Hahn's book <I>Rome Sweet Home</I>, I was struck by how he argued himself into Catholicism by "working out" that covenant theology required the church to be structured as a pyramidical hierarchy of families. No mention at all of "None of you is Teacher, none is Master, none is Father over the others; you are all brothers".<BR/><BR/>It is incongruous that, as regards the one institution that Scripture, when read literally, * does * seem to give final and infallible authority -- the State -- Catholics realise that obviously this authority is not final and unconditional; nothwithstanding the sweeping language of Romans 13 (far more sweeping than "On this rock..."), you can be a good citizen even while respectfully telling the civil ruler "We must obey God rather than men". Yet when it comes to the church, the RC argument is you can't have any authority at all unless it's final and infallible: that you're either a small child in unconditional obedience to your father, or else you're a Ham or a parricide.Tom Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246157794276270490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1140546572649391822006-02-21T13:29:00.000-05:002006-02-21T13:29:00.000-05:00You wrote: "In Catholicism and atheism alike, that...You wrote: "In Catholicism and atheism alike, that transition is never made. In Catholicism, this godlike paternal reverence is transferred, not to God, but to the church."<BR/><BR/>Very interesting. Never thought of it like this.4givenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604421713579961024noreply@blogger.com