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Tuesday, July 21, 2026

A Skeptic's Concessions About The Enfield Poltergeist

The Uncanny podcast recently did an episode on Enfield. The podcast is hosted by Danny Robins and includes analysis from a couple of paranormal researchers, Ciaran O'Keeffe (representing the skeptical perspective) and Evelyn Hollow (representing belief in the paranormal). There was a segment with Graham Morris as well, a photographer who covered the Enfield case for the Daily Mirror and witnessed some paranormal events. He made some significant comments, including ones I hadn't heard before, from him or any other source.

I'll be responding to several aspects of the program and other people's responses to it, but I want to begin where the video linked above does. It begins with a clip of some of O'Keeffe's concessions. He didn't even come close to offering a good skeptical explanation of the case, and he made some significant concessions about the quality of the evidence for it.

The video starts with O'Keeffe's comment about how he "defies other skeptics" to offer an explanation for the October 26, 1977 incident involving a fireplace being ripped out of a wall it was cemented into. Hollow is nodding her head while he makes that comment. They're not the only paranormal researchers who have brought up the significance of that event, including how difficult it is to explain from a skeptical perspective. If you click on the link above, you can read an article I wrote several years ago that analyzes the event, based on the audio recording of it produced by Guy Playfair, which I've listened to, and other evidence. That article cites some comments on the event from other paranormal researchers. It's not the most famous event in the case, but it's probably the one skeptics respect the most.

Near the beginning of the episode, there's a discussion of the significance of Enfield. Go here to watch Robins, O'Keeffe, and Hollow discussing how important it is. Keep that in mind when you read the typical contemptuous and dismissive comments skeptics make when Enfield comes up, such as in the comments sections of YouTube videos or on Facebook or Twitter. Because the behavior of Enfield skeptics is so bad, I put together a collection of responses to skeptical myths about the case. Go to any discussion of Enfield on YouTube, a message board, Facebook, or wherever else, and you're likely to find the same kind of ignorance, misinformation, bad argumentation, and other forms of bad behavior repeated again and again and again. Part of the problem is that believers in the case's authenticity are themselves so ignorant and unwilling to speak up and, if they do speak up, unwilling to persist in carrying through with discussions rather than abandoning them prematurely. The next time you see skeptics making their usual comments about Enfield on YouTube, in a skeptical magazine, or wherever else, remember what O'Keeffe acknowledged (to his credit) about how pleased his fellow skeptics would be if he could offer a good skeptical explanation of the case, which he can't. At least he's more honest about it than skeptics usually are. How did O'Keeffe get the impressions he has about his fellow skeptics (how they view Enfield) if the skeptics are as confident in dismissing Enfield as they often suggest they are?

But he goes on to make some dismissive comments about certain parts of the case elsewhere in the program, and he puts forward potential skeptical explanations of what happened in certain contexts. I want to interact with some of those comments. There are other issues I want to address before that, though.

Be careful about what O'Keeffe said here. He speaks highly of the testimony of the police officers who went to the Hodgsons' house on the night of August 31 to September 1. Go here to read an article I wrote about those officers and other officers involved in the case. It's good that O'Keeffe speaks so highly of them. But he seems to have gotten his information about the male police officer from a book that's apparently incorrect in what it reports about that officer. For a discussion of the subject, go here.

Robins asked the audience what they thought of some famous photographs of Janet Hodgson in the air in her bedroom in the context of some throwing incidents (allegedly being thrown across the room by the poltergeist). Unsurprisingly, as you can see played out in so many internet forums over so many years now, the skeptics in the audience were more vocal than the believers in response to the photos. There seems to be a widespread skeptical mindset that looks for something to latch onto in order to quickly and easily dismiss any paranormal case, and the levitation photos are often used to that end in the Enfield context. What skeptics seem to be doing is isolating the photos from their surrounding context and judging them by an initial impression of whether the photo could be faked by doing something like jumping off a bed. But you can't ignore the surrounding context. And you have to go beyond initial impressions. I've written multiple posts over the years arguing for the authenticity of the levitation photos, and I won't link all of them here. But go here for a representative example. There are several lines of evidence that need to be addressed, and I've never encountered a single skeptic who's even come close to taking all of the relevant evidence into account, much less has offered a good skeptical explanation of that evidence. I saw some people on Facebook asking to see Graham Morris' multi-photo levitation sequences in their original form, side by side. If you go to my page linked above, you'll see two of his original photos side by side, two that he said were taken one-sixth of a second apart.

The issue of Maurice Grosse's biases came up, as it often does. Supposedly, the death of his daughter shortly before he started on the Enfield case would have motivated him to want to find evidence of an afterlife. There's some truth to that. But the objection is usually overdone. Grosse already had what he considered significant evidence of an afterlife, including the postmortem survival of his deceased daughter. He had what he considered a series of paranormal experiences related to her shortly after her death, before he began his Enfield work. From his perspective, he wasn't in need of such evidence. He already had it. And, like other participants in the Enfield case, Grosse's views of the likely source behind the poltergeist changed over time. There was no one view he held consistently. The earliest view he expressed that I'm aware of was put forward on a radio program on which he appeared on September 10, 1977, less than a week after he started on the case. Grosse explained that he currently held a living agent psi view of the poltergeist, meaning that it was being produced by the mind of one or more living individuals. Here are his exact words in response to a caller on the program: "In other words, I don't believe, at the moment, that it is a discarnate entity or a spirit, as you would like to call it. I believe that this is one of the cases where the power is coming from the people involved themselves." (0:41 on tape 35A in Playfair's collection of tapes) Yes, Grosse was biased. No, that's not an adequate response to his testimony or his Enfield work in general.

Predictably, the poltergeist voice got a lot of attention during the Uncanny program and among those who responded to it. And the embodied form of the voice got the attention, while the disembodied form was ignored. But the evidence suggests that the voice was genuinely paranormal, both in its disembodied form and in the embodied form. I've written multiple articles on the subject, the primary one being here. No, it wasn't Bill Wilkins. And, no, there isn't much evidential significance to what the voice knew about the events surrounding Wilkins' death. My article linked above is divided into many different sections, so you can scroll for what you want or do a Ctrl F search for whatever you're interested in if you don't want to read the whole thing. For another article I wrote about the voice, see here.

Go here for Uncanny's discussion of the November 10, 1977 couch levitation. O'Keeffe asks how we know how far the couch rose up, and he appeals to the potential for faulty memories. We know how far the couch went up because of what was reported by the witnesses, how far they said it went up and the distance needed for the couch to turn over as reported. In the original edition of Playfair's book, he comments, "Thanks also to John and Sylvie Burcombe and to Vic and Peggy Nottingham who, with [Peggy Hodgson] and Mr Grosse, have read the manuscript of this book and signed a statement to the effect that it is true." (This House Is Haunted [London, England: Souvenir Press, 1980], 11) That book discusses the couch levitation under consideration here (88), and it mentions that Grosse saw the event happen. He was one of the individuals who signed the statement saying that Playfair's book is accurate. Three of the others who signed that statement were also present on the occasion when the couch levitated. The incident was recorded on Grosse's tape 20Ai. The couch levitation occurs around 4:31 on that tape, when you hear a loud bang, which corroborates the claim that the couch rose high enough to make that much noise when it landed. At 6:32 on the tape, eight people are mentioned as being present: Maurice Grosse, Peggy Hodgson, Janet Hodgson, Margaret Hodgson, Billy Hodgson, John Burcombe, Paul Burcombe, and Peggy Nottingham. Those eight are mentioned about two minutes after the couch levitation, so maybe not all of them were present two minutes earlier. And just because somebody was in the room, that doesn't mean he was looking at the right place at the right time. But Grosse comments on what just happened on the tape, and Playfair's book says Grosse saw the event. Just before and just after Grosse commented on the event on the tape, you hear some people screaming or expressing distress about what just happened in some other way (4:32, 4:37), and it sounds like a minimum of two people other than Grosse did so. The screaming sounds female, and you can hear Paul Burcombe making a comment suggesting he was upset by what just occurred. Go here to watch him commenting in a 2023 interview about seeing the couch levitate. Notice the extent to which Paul says the couch moved, which involves more than just going up a fraction of an inch or some such thing. And you can go here for my discussion of the evidence that Paul's father, John, also saw the levitation. Do a Ctrl F search for "couch" to find the relevant section. That article also discusses some evidence that John Burcombe's testimony on the subject is likely honest and trustworthy. Grosse's comment about the event right after it happened (at 4:33 on the tape) refers to how the couch went up "in front of us all in the room here". Nobody on the tape corrects him. They did correct him on other occasions, when they thought he was wrong about something. Grosse and John Burcombe go on to try to calm down the people in the room, which also makes more sense if a larger rather than smaller number of people saw the event. It looks like at least a few people saw it, probably more. And even those who didn't see it had opportunity to judge the situation reliably. A couch is a large object. Turning it over would take significant time and effort. If the event was faked, there isn't much time from the banging sound at 4:31 to the screaming at 4:32 and Grosse's comment at 4:33. Wouldn't the person or people (it probably would take more than one) who faked the event be seen next to the couch at the time, with their bodies in the unusual positions they would be in just after moving such an object? The idea that nobody noticed such a faking of the incident or that one or more individuals did, but never commented on it, is absurd. And O'Keeffe's suggestion that faulty memories may be involved is likewise problematic. We have a recording of the event. That isn't just a matter of memory. As Guy Playfair told another skeptic, "My tape recorder was on practically all the time, and you can't accuse tape recorders of having false memory." And the memories of this particular event come from multiple individuals who remembered the same event in the same place at the same time. Were they all mistaken in the same series of ways? Yes, one person's faulty memory could influence what another person came to believe, but it's unlikely that multiple people would lose so much of their own memory of the event and so uncritically adopt the same other person's memory in the same way. The possibility of such a scenario doesn't make it the best explanation. And we have evidence that John Burcombe's memory of the incident was significantly independent of Grosse's, as discussed in my article on Burcombe linked above. Given that evidence of one of the witnesses' independence from Grosse, why think multiple other witnesses were so dependent on him (or that there was some other dependence scenario)? O'Keeffe says he can "easily" explain the couch incident from a skeptical point of view. Not really.

Graham Morris' comments during the program (the segment with him starts here) are well worth listening to. He mentions a lot of details I don't recall having heard from anybody else before (e.g., what he and Vic Nottingham did when they first went into the Hodgsons' house after Morris arrived for his initial visit). It makes me wonder how many interviews, documentaries, and such over the years have left out significant comments he and other witnesses have made. Often, a witness will be interviewed for a long time, but only a small percentage of what he said will be aired.

Morris spends some time discussing the levitation photos (click here for the relevant part of the program), and he comments that "every" multi-photo sequence of a levitation has Janet either lying in bed or in the air (57:03). He comments on the subject again at 1:05:11. It seems that he's denying that Janet was ever caught in the process of getting up in bed or in the process of jumping, for example. That's highly significant. As I've explained elsewhere, the Hodgson children didn't have control over when the camera would go off, and the camera was sometimes triggered at random or in some other unpredictable way, so the failure to capture Janet faking a levitation on camera, if she did fake the events, is much harder to explain accordingly. At 1:05:58, Morris refers to pressure switches that were used to detect when the bed springs were released, which apparently is how some of the photos were taken at the appropriate time. Remember, the typical skeptical argument is that Janet faked every one of these events. But the camera (often filming at one shot every sixth of a second or faster) just happened to keep missing the points in time when the photos would have revealed faking? And how can moving from being horizontal on a bed to being vertical in the air in a sixth of a second or less be accomplished by normal means? It's undeniably paranormal. It seems that skeptics, if they're to maintain their position, will have to accuse Morris (and the multiple witnesses who saw some of these levitations occur, etc.) of lying, having highly inaccurate memories, using equipment that happened to malfunction in a way that makes it seem that something paranormal occurred, or some such thing.

Morris mentioned that Janet sometimes got hurt in the process of these levitations. One of the photos I've posted here shows Janet apparently landing on her head at the conclusion of one of these levitation (throwing) incidents.

Since the issue of the condition of Janet's bed covers in the photos came up, I want to briefly address it again. The levitation episodes sometimes involved teleporting through objects. When Janet levitated several times on May 30, 1978, both she and her mother reported that Janet's body passed through the bed covers rather than moving them with her (12:40 on Grosse's tape 87A). The levitations reported on December 15-16 of 1977 involved teleporting through a wall. On November 14 of that year, Janet was thrown from a bed in the Burcombes' house while the Burcombes' cat was lying on the bed with her. The cat remained there, undisturbed, which seems best explained if Janet was teleported through one or more objects in the process, possibly even through the cat (11:15 on Grosse's tape 22A). In addition to the teleportation issue, some of the photos show Janet going up from the bed in the area of her pillow (a highly unlikely location if the incidents were faked, as I've explained elsewhere). It seems that the throwing incidents often involved teleportation or being pulled out of the bed in the area of the pillow.

At the end of the Uncanny program, Morris, O'Keeffe, and Hollow were asked to provide an assessment of the levitation photo they'd been discussing and the poltergeist voice. Morris was the only one to say the photo wasn't a hoax. Hollow was agnostic about it. O'Keeffe dismissed it as a hoax without hesitation. I doubt that O'Keeffe or Hollow had fully processed what they'd just heard from Morris (about the use of pressure switches when taking the levitation photos and other issues).

I saw some skeptics commenting on the program who faulted O'Keeffe for not being skeptical enough, not making enough of an argument against the case, etc. It's not as though those skeptics made a good case against Enfield themselves. They didn't, and they can't. O'Keeffe is overly skeptical of the paranormal and of Enfield, but at least he behaves much more responsibly than so many other skeptics. And some of his comments about Enfield probably reflect how much the case troubles a lot of skeptics, even if they won't admit it publicly. Give O'Keeffe credit for conceding as much as he did and for doing it in such a public setting.

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  1. I agree Jason. Since I first encountered O'Keeffe on the programme 'Most Haunted', which in my opinion didn't get anywhere near enough credit for the footage that it captured over its many seasons, nor any proper skeptical analysis, I've always found him generally fair and reasonable. I do also think that, taking the case as a whole, the skeptics must still explain why an impoverished and struggling family would maintain a fiction for so long. 6 months, yes, but not up until 1979 and possibly even longer.

    The destruction of the fireplace would probably be blamed on the children by skeptics like, say, Joe Nickell, but Grosse once displayed its deformed state on a TV programme, and without certain tools, no one could possibly have done it.

    As for Maurice Grosse, I do recall that Graham Morris expressed some reservations about him and Playfair as the case dragged on, as well as the voice, but he does not say that these reservations impeached the case as a whole in any way. Not long ago, I did some in-depth research on Grosse's famous photograph of a party that were photographed in a restaurant in Austria. In one of the shots, a person appears who was not with the group of friends. It's an odd photograph, to be sure, and a photographic expert advised Grosse that he was unable to explain it. However, I think that there is a technical explanation for it and, personally, I don't think that Grosse should have committed himself to saying that it was paranormal. People might recall the footage of Grosse doing so, when being interviewed in his home. On that basis, it could be that Grosse readily subscribed to a paranormal interpretation of certain events at Enfield when he should have reserved judgement.

    Two incidents that don't to my mind get much attention - especially given their mind-boggling nature - are John Burcombe's terrifying encounter when he visited the house alone one dark evening. It truly stretches credulity.

    The other is the alleged doppelganger incident in November 1977. My recollection of Denise Burcombe's experience was that Grosse wasn't at the house *at all* Jason, but I see that you have written that in fact he was upstairs. That's a shame, since skeptics would likely seize on that, but it would be in keeping with the characteristics of the poltergeist to impersonate Grosse and play such a trick. Exactly *how* it could assume the form of Grosse is a source of true wonder, but such an ability in my view argues against the disordered mind thesis.

    It would be very interesting if the voice audio was subject to modern techniques of analysis, to see if the same conclusions would be reached today fifty years on as those reached by the female voice expert who visited the house. I'm going purely by memory here, since it's been some years since I read Playfair's book, but I think she described the voice as a 'sound' more than anything else. Have you ever attempted to locate and contact the expert, Jason? Like Carolyn Heeps, she seems to have completely (and very curiously) vanished. One would assume that the teams behind the recent Enfield programmes tried to contact Heeps and the voice expert, but unless someone was to contact the teams, we have no way of knowing if they did and why the attempt failed to get them on to the programmes. One aspect of the voice that I've always found curious is the way in which it evolved and developed, because at first it could only issue a peculiar bark. It's possible to tell from the audio that Grosse was completely right to describe the sound as a dog barking. I struggle to see how a human could fake the sound of a dog bark so authentically.




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    1. Grosse was wrong in some of his judgments about Enfield, including in judging whether events were paranormal (both in terms of overestimating events and in terms of underestimating them). He occasionally discussed such issues and revised his views at times on the tapes and elsewhere. Regarding the restaurant photo you referred to, judging by what little I know of it, he was evaluating a photo taken by somebody else in a context he wasn't originally involved in. It was just one event and one from which he was far removed, involving a lot of technical and abstract issues. That's significantly different than something like seeing a couch levitate and turn over in front of you, with your tape recorder running and with several other witnesses nearby, at least some of whom saw the event and perceived it similarly to how you did, with no substantial evidence against the occurrence of the event. The large number and diversity of events, witnesses, and other factors involved in the Enfield case allow a lot of room for error on some occasions while retaining credibility on other occasions. If Grosse was wrong about the restaurant photo you referred to, that diminishes his credibility to some extent, but not much in the Enfield context, and Grosse is just one Enfield witness (though one of the foremost) among many others.

      The amount of paranormal work Grosse did is a mitigating factor. The Enfield case alone involved at least a quadruple-digit number of events. And Grosse did a large amount of paranormal work outside the Enfield context. Anybody who does that level of work in such a big and complicated field, one that's so neglected and undeveloped, is going to get some things wrong. (As have some of Grosse's critics, like Anita Gregory and Tony Cornell, as I've documented.) And there are other lines of evidence that support Grosse's credibility, like the ones discussed in the Enfield post I wrote after the one above.

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    2. Concerning doppelgangers, I wrote about the subject in some of my earlier Enfield posts, like here. As I mention there, it seems that a doppelganger of Grosse was seen at least four times. There were doppelgangers of Janet as well. The post just linked describes one involving multiple, independent lines of evidence that Janet was downstairs while a doppelganger of her was seen in an upstairs window. Another incident involving a doppelganger of Janet had the doppelganger in the same room as Janet at the same time. It's discussed at 13:26 on Playfair's tape 54B, and Peggy Hodgson talked with Ed Warren on one of his tapes about what presumably was the same incident. I discussed it in a post about the Warrens several years ago. On Playfair's tape, Peggy explains that Janet might have moved quickly from one part of the room to another to fake the incident, but thinks it's unlikely that she could have moved so fast. Some of the other details of the event also make faking unlikely.

      I agree that further work should be done on the voice. Some of the audio is already available to the general public, like in YouTube videos and in Apple's 2023 documentary. But analysis of all of the audio would be better. There's a lot that could be done with it.

      I don't recall ever coming across contact information for Daphne Pearce, the speech therapist who examined the girls while they were manifesting the voice. She apparently didn't want to be involved any further after her initial work with Grosse and Playfair, seemingly because of concerns about a risk to her job at the hospital where she worked (Guy Playfair, This House Is Haunted [United States: White Crow Books, 2011], 186). As far as I know, she hasn't publicly commented on the case since then. And peer pressure (in the context of the workplace and elsewhere) would generally be against her saying anything further in support of the case. In an article I wrote on what skeptics experienced when they went to the Hodgsons' house, the concluding section discusses some examples of people experiencing the paranormal or having good evidence for it in some other way, then distancing themselves from it later. That's a common scenario. We hear a lot about people being too quick to accept paranormal claims, and that is sometimes a problem, but there's also a problem with people sometimes being too slow to accept or too quick to dismiss or distance themselves from paranormal claims, even their own paranormal experiences.

      There's some evidence that people other than Pearce who had relevant expertise analyzed the voice early on, to whatever extent. During a presentation on the Enfield case at an SPR symposium on March 29, 1978, Grosse commented:

      "I am getting a little tired now of people saying to me that 'this is happening' and 'that's happening', the girls are doing it [producing the voice by a normal means]. I have continually challenged everybody to tell me how this girl does it if she does do it deliberately. And nobody - nobody - has been able to come up with an answer: speech therapists, phonetic experts, and doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists. You name them, I've asked them." (Playfair's tape 38B, 53:10)

      Playfair adds that a science editor of The Daily Mirror wasn't able to explain it either (53:35). In a later discussion with Hans Bender, Playfair says that a speech therapist (probably Pearce), a laryngologist, and a doctor have all told them that the voice isn't normal (on his tape 39B, 14:26).

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  2. I think that Grosse had considerable involvement with the photo, but I think that he was committing to a paranormal explanation of it because a photography expert couldn’t explain it. I agree however that Grosse - although a principal investigator - was just one Enfield witness.

    Thanks for the doppelganger information. I was completely unaware that there was more than one instance of doppelganger phenomena. For me, it lends even more credibility to the case, as you also suggest in your 2019 post, because I can’t recall coming across the phenomenon in many - indeed, perhaps any - other cases – poltergeist or otherwise. It really underscores the sheer plethora of paranormal phenomena in the house.

    One can’t help but speculate on *how* the phenomena is produced. If the Enfield residence was invaded by one or more incorporeal, once-living persons, we’re forced to wonder how they acquire this ability in the next plane of existence – assuming, that is, they even left this plane of existence. One might argue that just as psychokinetic abilities exist in the corporeal form, enhanced abilities are conferred in the incorporeal form. I don’t know if religion, or for that matter parapsychology, can offer us any insights in this respect, or even if it addresses the subject, but I do find it more credible to accept that a non-human intelligence might possess doppelganger ability. It could arguably explain the other collection of apparitions that were seen during the case. Thus, there was never more than one entity or non-human intelligence at work – it simply manipulated its form. As far as I’m aware, no one connected with the Enfield case ever proposed the possibility of a non-human intelligence being involved – though admittedly, I don’t think the idea was circulating in parapsychology at that time. Against that view of course, one might argue that Janet, as a powerful medium, was unwittingly attracting deceased spirits, a remark which I think was made by one psychic who visited the house.

    I haven’t yet read Melvyn Willin’s book, but I’m very surprised he didn’t send the tapes for analysis while listening to and transcribing and digitizing them. If I remember rightly, he has ownership of the tapes. Almost 50 years on, surely modern techniques could tell us a great deal more, and either revise or bolster Pearce’s conclusions?

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    1. You're raising a good question, regarding the range of explanatory options (for Enfield and for other paranormal contexts), and it's a subject that needs more work. I think living agent psi and the involvement of one or more deceased humans are the hypotheses that came up the most during the earliest years of the case. Other views would occasionally get mentioned. You may recall that Apple's documentary plays some of the audio from the September 8, 1977 SPR meeting about poltergeists, the one where Grosse asked for help with the Enfield case and got a response from Playfair. The speaker at that event, Nicholas Clark-Lowes, mentions various possibilities, like the existence of "a fourth dimension" (at 27:21 in episode 1 of the Apple series). He's speaking about poltergeists in general, not Enfield in particular, but it's applicable to Enfield, and (unknown to Clark-Lowes at the time) Grosse was in the audience and would bring up Enfield after Clark-Lowes' presentation was done. The demonic hypothesis would sometimes come up, the Warrens would promote it, and it would eventually become a popular explanation of Enfield, especially after The Conjuring 2 came out. When Playfair was working on his Enfield book, probably no later than 1979, he wrote in one passage, "Had he [John Burcombe] been caught in the slipstream of a passing flying saucer? Who knows? Any explanation of what went on at Enfield in 1977 and 1978 is likely to be utterly fantastic in terms of our present knowledge. There were, incidentally, a number of reports of UFO sightings in the Enfield area during the case, but neither we nor the Harpers [Hodgsons] ever mentioned the subject." (This House Is Haunted [London, England: Souvenir Press, 1980], 252) I have vague memories of a variety of hypotheses being discussed on the tapes, including ones other than the explanations that are the most popular, but that isn't one of the subjects I paid the most attention to. I should try to give it more attention when I listen to the tapes in the future. I know that David Robertson often brought up views involving a multiverse, other dimensions, and such in his discussions with me about Enfield (and other topics). I think John Hasted held that kind of view of the paranormal.

      I just went back to my Enfield notes and searched for some relevant terms and came across some material on the tapes that I'd forgotten about. When Grosse was on a September 10, 1977 radio program, he was asked if he believed in UFOs and if they might be connected to poltergeist activity, presumably including Enfield (19:49 on Playfair's tape 35B). He said he had "reservations" about UFOs, but had recently heard a presentation about them and was "open" to the subject, though he didn't know much about it. Reincarnation and the possibility of its role in the Enfield case came up as well. On another tape, Grosse asked the Hodgsons about their interests related to science fiction, and Margaret referred to UFOs as "rubbish" in the process (32:57 on Grosse's tape 91A). At 18:06 on his tape 1A, in a discussion with Ed Warren (on June 16, 1978), Grosse advocates a multiverse view of Enfield (involving many "dimensions" or "worlds"), which he attributes to Hasted, though he says that he had been thinking in similar terms before hearing Hasted address the subject. Grosse occasionally brought up such issues when speaking to the poltergeist voice.

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    2. We're at too early a stage of research to be confident about these kinds of issues. It's good to formulate some views, test hypotheses, and such, but we have to hold a lot of our conclusions with a loose grip at this point. A concern I have about multiverse views, interdimensional beings, and the like is how speculative and complicated they are. You have to assume the existence of a series of things (a multiverse, a means of moving from one universe to another, a motivation for the beings to keep moving back and forth so much if they're choosing to do so, etc.). Simplicity isn't the only factor we should take into account. The simplest explanation isn't always the best one. But simplicity does have some value and is one of the factors that should be taken into account.

      Regarding the tapes, my understanding is that they belong to the SPR, not Melvyn in particular. He was entrusted with them as a representative of the SPR. I tried to arrange for the tapes to be made available to the general public when I was negotiating with the SPR over digitization in 2018, but the SPR didn't want to release them to the public. There may be legal concerns. Many of the people on the tapes or closely connected to them are still alive, we live in a highly litigious society, etc. There may be moral and logistical concerns as well. If there's still a significant anti-Enfield faction within the SPR, even if it's smaller than it used to be, that may be a factor.

      But the SPR has made a lot of Enfield material available to researchers for a long time. Lack of interest seems to be the biggest problem. Look at the shallowness of the typical Enfield discussion on YouTube, Facebook, or wherever else. Even when more information is available to people, they don't show much interest in it. Researchers generally seem more interested in newer cases, not ones as old as Enfield. People who are making money in the paranormal context are likely to get more money from covering a wider diversity of cases rather than going into a lot of depth with any one case.

      I expect more people to come along who want to study Enfield in a lot of depth as time goes on, people who want to write a doctoral thesis on the subject, publish a book about it, or whatever else. But I expect them to be few and far between.

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  3. Thanks for the interesting response, Jason.

    The trouble is that the explanatory options all seem to fit to some degree - but equally, each one of them has drawbacks. For many years, I thought that it was a straightforward haunting caused by deceased humans interacting with living psi agents in the house. If we consider the conversation about menstruation, as mentioned (I think) in episode 3 of the Apple series, then it’s very difficult to conclude that Janet’s own subconscious wasn't involved, since why on earth would the purported entities in the case be interested in such a topic? True, one might counter that one or more of the minds involved was disordered, but I still feel that stretches credulity somewhat. On the other hand, it also undermines the idea of a non-human intelligence, which would also be expected to be similarly uninterested in such a topic.

    The demonic hypothesis is interesting, but I am not sure what framework we could use to explain them. Perhaps not the Abrahamic religions, since I am aware that one notorious demon - Pazuzu - preceded them, and it could be that if one accepts their explanation for the existence of demons and their purpose, one must then accept the truth of the Abrahamic religions. I’m an agnostic, but I’d be very interested in any links you could provide if you have written about Christian demonology.

    I agree that the multiverse view is problematic. Anthony Peake, however, does not think in terms of a multiverse. He connects the idea of non-human intelligences to Aldous Huxley’s concept of the ‘Mind-At-Large’ and the hidden universe (the title of Peake’s book). The non-human intelligences occupy different strata. In fact, if I remember rightly, Peake says that these beings are but one sort of being, yet have been interpreted across the ages as angels, demons and djinns etc.

    I haven’t reached any firm conclusions, and I agree that we should only hold them tentatively, but I am increasingly confident that the explanation for Enfield lies in a combination of factors: the consciousness of deceased humans; non-human intelligences; and mediumship. Lastly, I do feel that the psychological situation of some members of the family, along with the psychodynamics of the family as a whole, may be of considerably more significance than has been recognised to date. A common denominator is that these events do not tend to afflict happy and well-adjusted families. As Anita Gregory said, such cases are an “unwholesome mixture”.



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    1. We've written a lot about issues related to demons over the years, but scattered across many posts. If you or anybody else is interested, here's a collection of our posts under the Demons label. Here's the collection of posts with the Demonic Activity label. Keep clicking Older Posts in the lower right to see more of them. In 2009, my late colleague here, Steve Hays, wrote an overview of a lot of paranormal issues from a Christian perspective. You can read it here. It's about more than demons, but includes discussions of demon-related issues and cites many sources.

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  4. Thanks Jason - that is appreciated.

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