tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post942208119425826930..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: ParalypsisRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32215157822131843652011-03-28T08:59:21.903-04:002011-03-28T08:59:21.903-04:00Pinoy,
LOL!!! Never heard that one but I'm l...Pinoy,<br /><br />LOL!!! Never heard that one but I'm laughing here. Nice.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-72749927507461667042011-03-28T08:48:16.586-04:002011-03-28T08:48:16.586-04:00RANDALL VAN DER STERREN SAID:
"So is there a...RANDALL VAN DER STERREN SAID:<br /><br />"So is there a theological point being made or is this just another flame war?"<br /><br />I'm defending the honor of a man who's been wronged. TFan has been a friend to me, and I'm returning the favor. I consider that an aspect of Christian ethics.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27690525965063537252011-03-28T08:42:35.624-04:002011-03-28T08:42:35.624-04:00TUAD, Yes!TUAD, Yes!Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-8436825493724866592011-03-28T06:56:45.716-04:002011-03-28T06:56:45.716-04:00One day, a minister, a priest and a rabbi went for...One day, a minister, a priest and a rabbi went for a hike. It was very hot.<br /><br />They were sweating and exhausted when they came upon a small lake. Since it was fairly secluded, they took off all their clothes and jumped in the water. Feeling refreshed, the trio decided to pick a few berries while enjoying their "freedom." As they were crossing an open area, who should come along but a group of ladies from town. Unable to get to their clothes in time, the minister and the priest covered their privates and the rabbi covered his face while they ran for cover.<br /><br />After the ladies had left and the men got their clothes back on, the minister and the priest asked the rabbi why he covered his face rather than his privates. The rabbi replied, "I don't know about you, but in MY congregation, it's my face they would recognize.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32729167587923529012011-03-28T06:11:28.756-04:002011-03-28T06:11:28.756-04:00"The parishioner thought that Groover should ...<i>"The parishioner thought that Groover should not and would not have been the focus of attention had he not been the brother-in-law of cooking star Paul Deen."</i><br /><br />I think you meant Paula Deen.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41701113563010300162011-03-28T02:14:08.647-04:002011-03-28T02:14:08.647-04:00It never ceases to amaze me how sickeningly sancti...It never ceases to amaze me how sickeningly sanctimonious Romanists are and the fact that they take great pride in it.gsniederhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00377823021617865959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12453676966978757702011-03-28T00:58:15.928-04:002011-03-28T00:58:15.928-04:00So is there a theological point being made or is t...So is there a theological point being made or is this just another flame war?Randall van der Sterrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08618509337299843429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5590654682947968232011-03-28T00:36:50.124-04:002011-03-28T00:36:50.124-04:00It's about about how gracious and kind they ar...<i>It's about about how gracious and kind they are while they insist that their opponents are wicked and uncharitable. LOL</i><br /><br />You, of course, being the very <i>model</i> and <i>quintessence</i> of both Christian charity and the Southern gentleman.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47003280618358035002011-03-28T00:09:32.283-04:002011-03-28T00:09:32.283-04:00A classic example of straining gnats while swallow...<i>A classic example of straining gnats while swallowing dromedaries in one gulp. Hoffer belongs to a denomination with a spiraling scandal of clerical pederasty, yet he fixates on the trumped up “scandal” of anonymous blogging.</i><br /><br />That is commonplace among Romanists. Just for instance, I had dinner with a man recently who expressed to me earlier in the day that the media has unfairly treated the Roman communion on the matter of sexual scandals. He was all the more troubled that day because Hank Groover, a priest at this man’s parish in Hammond, LA, was probably going to be placed on leave, which is now a matter of recent history. <br /><br />Groover was busted for soliciting homosexual favors from an undercover cop in Savannah, GA, in 2003, so the diocese decided to ship him to Hammond. The parishioner thought that Groover should not and would not have been the focus of attention had he not been the brother-in-law of cooking star Paul Deen. This man was doubly troubled because “Groover was so great with the kids”. Great with the kids? It’s remarkable how naïve people can be.Reformed Apologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17398596496540697639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32085267280249309572011-03-27T22:11:24.167-04:002011-03-27T22:11:24.167-04:00PAUL HOFFER SAID:
"The closest thing one can...PAUL HOFFER SAID:<br /><br />"The closest thing one can find on either yours or Mr. Fan's website is a reference to Klingon hell, which must make your wife, if you have one, real happy."<br /><br />Um, no, that's a reference to Klingon heaven. And I'll have you know that my beloved wife Vixis is more than happy with our accommodations in Sto-vo-Kor.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83092889097402623892011-03-27T21:43:30.787-04:002011-03-27T21:43:30.787-04:00You have to appreciate how the Romanists, like the...You have to appreciate how the Romanists, like the Pharisees, love to proclaim their own righteousness. It's about about how gracious and kind they are while they insist that their opponents are wicked and uncharitable. LOLdtkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08517142528948228472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-87612268729472584342011-03-27T21:05:27.832-04:002011-03-27T21:05:27.832-04:00PAUL HOFFER SAID:
"Hello Mr. Hays, while it ...PAUL HOFFER SAID:<br /><br />"Hello Mr. Hays, while it is true that Mr. Fan has acknowledged in writings that he is some sort of Presbyterian, there are as many flavors of those as there are ice cream at Baskin Robbins. Given the multiplicity of Presbyterian-leaning denominations out there, there must be some reason that they are different."<br /><br />The fact that you put it that way shows you don't know enough to know what you reject.<br /><br />They are generally differentiated by degrees of adherence to the Westminster Standards. To take some major examples, the PCUSA is a traditionally, but now nominally Presbyterian denomination that went liberal years ago. Clearly TFan doesn't belong to the PCUSA.<br /><br />Far to the right of the PCUSA are the OPC and PCA. They basically adhere to the Westminster Confession, but with some caveats. They adhere to the 18C American revisions, and they don't enforce the Confession on the days of creation. Likewise, they don't adhere to the Westminster Directory of Worship.<br /><br />Given TFan's Puritan view of worship, it's clear that he couldn't in good conscience join the OPC or PCA.<br /><br />Then you have very traditional Presbyterian denominations like the PRC. That's the sort of church TFan would probably attend.<br /><br />You also have the EPC, which adheres to the Westminster Confession, but is also open to charismatic theology and the ordination of women.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46295616400535383182011-03-27T20:41:17.760-04:002011-03-27T20:41:17.760-04:00The fact that TFan's favorite theologian is Fr...The fact that TFan's favorite theologian is Francis Turretin already pinpoints his theological commitments. <br /><br />Conversely, the fact that John Kerry is Roman Catholic tells you nothing about his theological commitments, or lack thereof. <br /><br />So why are you fixated on one's denominational affiliation? <br /><br />For that matter, an evangelical can attend an independent church. Many do.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32372650724104343142011-03-27T20:35:03.488-04:002011-03-27T20:35:03.488-04:00It's not a red herring if the email goes to th...It's not a red herring if the email goes to the church secretary rather than the priest. Is Armstrong accountable to the church secretary?<br /><br />"As for your comment on standards, I guess you dropped your irony (literary paralypsis) on your foot."<br /><br />That's an assertion, not an argument.<br /><br />"As for yours, your profile show that you are Reformed in temperment but like some ritual with that. Thus, you could be anything from a Lutheran to a UCC man. That really narrows it down for me."<br /><br />You keep imposing your Catholic reference frame on me. My church doesn't select for my theology; rather, my theology selects for my church.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, I attended a Lutheran church (WELS) for a time, although I was, and still am, a staunch Calvinist.<br /><br />I usually attend an 18C Episcopal church down the street for major holidays because I prefer the way they celebrate major holidays on the church calendar. But I generally attend a PCA church. <br /><br />Conversely, being a member of the Roman church tells you zilch about a person's theology. Church-going Catholics range from devout Catholics to nominal Catholics.<br /><br />Indeed, in the past, infidel noblemen were awarded episcopal preferments. Even though they were Roman bishops, they made no pretense of faith.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-43323624344301987582011-03-27T20:23:42.557-04:002011-03-27T20:23:42.557-04:00Mr. Hays,
As to the e-mail address for Mr. Armst...Mr. Hays, <br /><br />As to the e-mail address for Mr. Armstrong's pastor, that's a red herring too since the parish phone number and email is listed. There are yet some people in the world who do not have a specific email.<br /><br />As for your comment on standards, I guess you dropped your irony (literary paralypsis) on your foot. Get that tended to. <br /><br />I will leave you alone now so you can rail against me in peace and respond to your article in detail later.<br /><br />God bless you and yours!Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-73759828360835503902011-03-27T20:17:29.554-04:002011-03-27T20:17:29.554-04:00Paul Hoffer said...
"It speaks volumes that ...Paul Hoffer said...<br /><br />"It speaks volumes that you would hold me and Dave to a standard that you yourself are not willing to hold yourself to or Mr. Fan. Chew on that for awhile."<br /><br />There's no inconsistency in my holding you to your own standards while not holding myself to your own standards, since your standards aren't my standards. That's a pretty elementary distinction.<br /><br />Denominational allegiance was never my standard. Moreover, the fact that you and Armstrong are Catholic was never in doubt. That's a red herring.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-89782800682624928262011-03-27T20:12:06.982-04:002011-03-27T20:12:06.982-04:00In addition, to judge by the church blog, Fr. Dare...In addition, to judge by the church blog, Fr. Darell Roman seems to be his new parish priest. So where is his contact info?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66537704097189621572011-03-27T20:09:01.131-04:002011-03-27T20:09:01.131-04:00Hello Mr. Hays, while it is true that Mr. Fan has...Hello Mr. Hays, while it is true that Mr. Fan has acknowledged in writings that he is some sort of Presbyterian, there are as many flavors of those as there are ice cream at Baskin Robbins. Given the multiplicity of Presbyterian-leaning denominations out there, there must be some reason that they are different. As for yours, your profile show that you are Reformed in temperment but like some ritual with that. Thus, you could be anything from a Lutheran to a UCC man. That really narrows it down for me.<br /><br />It speaks volumes that you would hold me and Dave to a standard that you yourself are not willing to hold yourself to or Mr. Fan. Chew on that for awhile.Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62012546694115560442011-03-27T20:08:14.878-04:002011-03-27T20:08:14.878-04:00I find an email address for his deacon, not his pr...I find an email address for his deacon, not his priest.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75520637511209682102011-03-27T19:56:21.530-04:002011-03-27T19:56:21.530-04:00Paul Hoffer said...
"Hello Mr. Hays, I am su...Paul Hoffer said...<br /><br />"Hello Mr. Hays, I am sure that DA can answer for himself, but I would note that he does not conceal that he is Catholic-neither you nor Mr. Fan indicate your particular denominational flavor."<br /><br />I assume TFan is an old school, jure divino Presbyterian. Given his strict adherence to the 1646 Westminster Confession and the Westminster Directory of Worship, it isn't difficult to narrow down his denominational sympathies. <br /><br />However, your comparison is equivocation. Since you believe the Roman church is the only true church, your denominational affiliation automatically selects for your theological identity.<br /><br />Since, by contrast, I don't think any particular denomination is conterminous with "the church," my theological identity can't be inferred from the church I happen to attend.<br /><br />In any case, my theological commitments are hardly shrouded in mystery. I have a very long, very public paper trail.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5882226953965489262011-03-27T19:56:08.877-04:002011-03-27T19:56:08.877-04:00In case you missed it since your internet is appar...In case you missed it since your internet is apparently broken, here's Dave's: http://saint-joseph-detroit.org/Contact.html<br /><br />And here's my pastor's: augustine1898@rrbiznet.com<br /><br />God bless!Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-58984813590590572072011-03-27T19:51:52.618-04:002011-03-27T19:51:52.618-04:00Hello Mt. Hays, I didn't have any problem fin...Hello Mt. Hays, I didn't have any problem finding Fr. Czarnota's e-mail there. Perhaps your internet is broke.<br /><br />And when you will be providing your pastor's email?Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30849791057468844032011-03-27T19:38:21.336-04:002011-03-27T19:38:21.336-04:00PAUL HOFFER SAID:
"He has a link to his pari...PAUL HOFFER SAID:<br /><br />"He has a link to his parish under the 'About Me' link."<br /><br />I see no email address for his priest.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-35841158387903581242011-03-27T19:27:00.274-04:002011-03-27T19:27:00.274-04:00Mr. Hays so there is no doubt, I will edit my link...Mr. Hays so there is no doubt, I will edit my links to make it abundantly clear that St. Augustine Church in Barberton, Ohio is my home parish.<br /><br />I apologize for any vagueness there. When may we expect you to put up a link to your church?Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82218726347613842692011-03-27T19:24:35.073-04:002011-03-27T19:24:35.073-04:00Hello Mr. Hays, I am sure that DA can answer for h...Hello Mr. Hays, I am sure that DA can answer for himself, but I would note that he does not conceal that he is Catholic-neither you nor Mr. Fan indicate your particular denominational flavor. He has a link to his parish under the "About Me" link and has posted articles about his particular parish on several occasions(which btw undercuts your beef here). Mr. Armstrong has put a number of personal links on his website including a number of radio interviews. The closest thing one can find on either yours or Mr. Fan's website is a reference to Klingon hell, which must make your wife, if you have one, real happy. If I hadn't ascertained Mr. Fan's identity for myself, one would not know from his hundreds of articles and comments what country he lives in (and no, I do not even intend to reveal that). Again, why should your remarks in regards to accountability not be considered hypocritical? I do hope you will swallow your pride and retract your false witness here.Paul Hofferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09182683665344747977noreply@blogger.com