tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post9219330075749905986..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: How Arminians make God a sinnerRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-38711281360851293102009-10-25T12:36:24.498-04:002009-10-25T12:36:24.498-04:00Birch is trying to win the argument and you, well ...Birch is trying to win the argument and you, well you stand in his way!<br /><br />One must ask, "are you God"? :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66437800801270281522009-10-24T18:44:14.771-04:002009-10-24T18:44:14.771-04:00WILLIAM WATSON BIRCH SAID:
“Please tell me you...WILLIAM WATSON BIRCH SAID:<br /><br />“Please tell me you're not serious with this ill-logic.”<br /><br />This is a reductio ad absurdum of your ill-logic, not mind.<br /><br />“God being the ‘founder’ of the world still does not make him the author of sin, for God did not cause any lack of conformity unto, or transgression of, any law of God.”<br /><br />i) Notice Billy’s bait-and-switch. He originally said, “Combining our definitions, then, an author of sin would be one who is either the father, originator, founder, or pioneer of any lack of conformity unto, or transgression of, any law of God, given as a rule to the reasonable creature. This is the definition of author of sin which we will be working with in this post.”<br /><br />When, however, I answer him on his own terms, he substitutes the word “cause,” although that is not one of the definitions he listed in his original post. So he’s backing down from his original claim, which is a tacit admission that his original claim was indefensible.<br /><br />ii) And, yes, if you treat “founder” as synonymous with “author,” and God is the founder of a world in which rational creatures transgress God’s law, then, by your own ill-logic, that makes God the author of sin. <br /><br />“As for the etymology of the word author: c.1300, autor ‘father,’ from O.Fr. auctor, from L. auctorem (nom. auctor) ‘enlarger, founder, master, leader.’ You really should have done your homework on this one! It looks like in Latin and Greek, the word carries the same meaning.”<br /><br />This is multiply inept:<br /><br />i) Even if there were a semantic overlap between “author” and “archegos,” that doesn’t mean you should ascertain the sense of “author” from the sense of “archegos.”<br /><br />Rather, you would determine the sense of the Latin word based on Latin usage, and the sense of the Greek word based on Greek usage. Then, having ascertained what each one means independently of the other, you’d then, and only then, be in a position to compare the sense of the Latin word with the sense of the Greek word.<br /><br />ii) Meaning is determined by usage, not etymology. You were quoting from a modern English version of the Bible. But it’s quite fallacious to assume that the meaning of a Latin derivative is the same as the original Latin word. There is no basis for assuming that an English word in modern usage carries the same meaning as the Latin root word. <br /><br />iii) Regarding Heb 2:10 & 12:2, “father, founder, originator, or pioneer” are not different ways of rendering the English word “author,” but different ways of rendering the Greek word “archegos.”stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83795671436902945532009-10-24T13:24:04.078-04:002009-10-24T13:24:04.078-04:00God laid the foundations of the world. Therefore, ...<em>God laid the foundations of the world. Therefore, God is the founder of the world. If the world we inhabit is a sinful world, then that makes God the author of sin, since he laid the foundations for that "infallible" outcome.</em><br /><br />Please tell me you're not serious with this ill-logic. God being the "founder" of the world still does not make him the author <em>of sin</em>, for God did not cause any lack of conformity unto, or transgression of, any law of God. <br /><br />As for the etymology of the word <em>author</em>: c.1300, <em>autor</em> "father," from O.Fr. <em>auctor</em>, from L. <em>auctorem</em> (nom. <em>auctor</em>) "enlarger, founder, master, leader." You really should have done your homework on this one! It looks like in Latin and Greek, the word carries the same meaning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com