tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8644983018647117310..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Atheism has no brakesRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-3911121478410309732015-08-21T17:18:04.298-04:002015-08-21T17:18:04.298-04:00@CR life may and has presented me with insurmounta...<i> @CR life may and has presented me with insurmountable problems. That is not an excuse to embrace the imaginary. The brave thing to do is accept what is real and true regardless of how it makes us feel.</i><br /><br />What is truth?<br /><br />The problem is you lack the resources to ground your metaphysical claims. Christ alone has those resources.<br /><br />Christian theism is the one and only worldview that can help you.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13438274300370168632015-08-21T15:13:48.004-04:002015-08-21T15:13:48.004-04:00can you recommend a particular resource you think ...can you recommend a particular resource you think I should read.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86860408667407488692015-08-21T15:04:05.457-04:002015-08-21T15:04:05.457-04:00One of many examples of failed secular ethics. I&#...One of many examples of failed secular ethics. I've documented these in detail for years on end. And this isn't just a Christian critique. As I've also documented in detail, many secular philosophers reject moral realism. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2286631704830001702015-08-21T14:46:23.881-04:002015-08-21T14:46:23.881-04:00regardless of whether you believe it to be a hack ...regardless of whether you believe it to be a hack philosophy or not it does provide a framework and grounding for a moral system that is not predicated on the existence of god or belief in god.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2751881633750931782015-08-21T14:38:49.245-04:002015-08-21T14:38:49.245-04:00Yes, I'm aware of Objectivism. It's a hack...Yes, I'm aware of Objectivism. It's a hack philosophy. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20257533683818977602015-08-21T14:27:08.419-04:002015-08-21T14:27:08.419-04:00@Steve you of all people should know better. You a...@Steve you of all people should know better. You are not ignorant of Objecivism and its ethical framework. That being said however I am sympathetic to your complaint. Many if not most atheists give no thought to ethics and their importance. They go with what feels good or feels right without gauging what the actual consequences are going to be and no thought as to why they value what the do.<br /><br />@CR life may and has presented me with insurmountable problems. That is not an excuse to embrace the imaginary. The brave thing to do is accept what is real and true regardless of how it makes us feel.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25752680558076012412015-08-21T13:07:51.146-04:002015-08-21T13:07:51.146-04:00Yes, technically, atheism is just a statement of w...Yes, technically, atheism is just a statement of what an atheist doesn't believe rather than what he does believe. However, by denying God's existence, he denies the foundation of morality. <br /><br />It's nice that some atheists are inconsistent. That some atheists are more virtuous than what their position implies. But that's in spite of their atheism, not because of it. And, increasingly, that's breaking down. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29251853871809104582015-08-21T12:22:21.305-04:002015-08-21T12:22:21.305-04:00Christ has the resources to deal with all the vari...Christ has the resources to deal with all the various and sundry worldview issues you just sketched, JH.CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74162852630058997152015-08-21T09:54:38.915-04:002015-08-21T09:54:38.915-04:00oh, I posted in haste, you got my blood up:) so so...oh, I posted in haste, you got my blood up:) so sorry for any grammatical mistakes I made. Having reread it I see a few.Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41495471791505760252015-08-21T09:48:27.419-04:002015-08-21T09:48:27.419-04:00"Morality. You keep using that word. But I do..."Morality. You keep using that word. But I don't think it means what you think it means."<br /><br />Good point. I never hear Christians ask what is morality and why is it important. So yes that word does refer to a different conception for us. For me morality is a guide to action. It is the understood and the chosen not the commanded and the obeyed. <br /><br />You call me a clump of cells, yes and the Earth is just a planet, whats you point. Your chose of words downplays the wonder, complexity and marvel that is a self aware biologically entity the end product of billions of years of.... yeah you should know the rest. Next you like the author feel the right to put words in my mouth by calling me a materialist. Nope! wrong again. I accept for example concepts which are means and methods of the mind. I accept the existence of information which is the arrangement of matter and not the matter itself, I believe in action, energy, space and time, none these constitute "matter". <br /><br />Next you ask why I should care about abortion if it does not effect me. Morality is a guide to choice and these choices must be measured against a scale of values if one is to make the correct one. If I place the highest value on personal freedom then I should support abortion rights. However such unbridled personal freedom will have disastrous long term consequences for society as a whole. Thus if I place a higher value on the health and continuation of my society I should be opposed to abortion. <br /><br />Personally at this point in my life (age 44) I have become so disgusted and disappointed with society and by extension human nature at large that It goes beyond me "not caring". At times in the deeper levels of my despondency I actually want to see it all comes crashing and and burn, however I digress. <br /><br />I said I don't support abortion rights, that does not mean that I am going to burn so much as one calorie to oppose it either. There used to be expectations, roles for each gender that made our society function. To cut to the point here men were expected to in time of conflict which was nearly perpetuation go off and do the fighting. Women because of their abilities were expected to mother children (replace losses). In our oh so wonderful modern society women have been released of their obligations but not us men. I still have to register for the draft, I still am expected to pay for the raising of a child I might sire even though I have no legal rights in the matter and can not surrender my "parental rights" in the matter as a women can. She can walk away and not deal with the consequences of her action but not I or you Ray if you are a man. <br /><br />So to get back to my point. I feel disenfranchised by my society and so don't care about its health or future anymore. Likewise I since the liberal left cares nothing about me and my concerns (single middle aged white male) I likewise could not care about theirs such as abortion rights. I keep being told that has a man I am not allowed to have a say in the matter anyway. Fine, my answer to both the ideological right and left is I DON'T CARE, let it all burn. Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45829030516200928162015-08-21T07:24:45.428-04:002015-08-21T07:24:45.428-04:00Morality. You keep using that word. But I don'...Morality. You keep using that word. But I don't think it means what you think it means.<br /><br />Without God, you *are* just a clump of cells, governed by physical forces and whose notion of morality always amounts to mere opinion. Tell me, as an atheist (and, by extension, a materialist, since, absent God, matter is all there is) what difference does it make to you whether abortion occurs or not? Unless it affects you, why would you care?Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10636175772113235987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26922434229468390642015-08-21T00:02:39.666-04:002015-08-21T00:02:39.666-04:00Why do you insist on lumping all atheists together...Why do you insist on lumping all atheists together as if we were some ideological monolith. All atheism tells you is what I don't believe in, not what I do. So allow me to state that I, an atheist in that I don't believe in god also as hard as it might be for you to conceptually grasp do not suuport abortion. That's right, I am an atheist and not pro abortion. Furthermore my reasons for not being pro abortion have absolutely nothing to do with some arbitrary edict from an imaging strongman. No my reasons are rooted in ruthless uncompromising pragmatism or in other words morality grounded in the facts of existence. Justin Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804641315202800289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29778615728195647452015-08-20T23:36:59.008-04:002015-08-20T23:36:59.008-04:00I once tried to counsel a man in prison. His conce...I once tried to counsel a man in prison. His concept of innocent and guilty was completely upside down. His opinion was that any action he took he was not guilty unless he was arrested by a policeman and the court declared him guilty. Until that happened, it didn't matter what he did, he was not guilty of anything. Incomprehensible.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00729029248815671902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67610950865275570982015-08-20T14:58:31.645-04:002015-08-20T14:58:31.645-04:00Well said. What's left except for Planned Par...Well said. What's left except for Planned Parenthood to begin kidnapping children at random and dissecting them alive for organ harvesting and sale?<br /><br />Would that raise eyebrows?CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.com