tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8486435164605014358..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: On God Hating EsauRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56651810679388794602010-05-14T07:56:50.976-04:002010-05-14T07:56:50.976-04:00ah thankyou, didn't know of that search avenue...ah thankyou, didn't know of that search avenue for blogs.Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242793531954844979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-38635466861002857042010-05-14T01:15:30.213-04:002010-05-14T01:15:30.213-04:00Halo said:
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Re. you having covered this before,...Halo said:<br />---<br />Re. you having covered this before, I think it is good to go over old ground from time to time especially for people like me who are newer to the blogging world.<br />---<br /><br />It is good to touch on old ground, so long as you progress beyond it too. That's why I still gave you some brief answers instead of just telling you to search the archives :-) (You can also do a Google advanced search using http://triablogue.blogspot.com and find information that way too, if you weren't aware of that avenue.)<br /><br />Please note that in general I don't mind answering questions. It's just that I like answering new questions more than I like answering the same question for the tenth time :-)Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67840995500123847142010-05-14T01:10:11.570-04:002010-05-14T01:10:11.570-04:00Natamllc said:
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On the surface, find a descript...Natamllc said:<br />---<br />On the surface, find a description of what Malachi speaks about in his writings so many years later with the words of Genesis?<br /><br />It isn't there. Look see the "prosperity" that came upon Esau in his day relative to the rest of humanity. At the time of Jacob's return, though God made Jacob wealthy and great in many respects, you get the same sense about Esau, that he too was wealthy and great in many respects.<br />---<br /><br />Without re-reading all of Genesis right now ( :-D ), as far I recall the only thing mentioned in Genesis is the promise to Rebekah that her eldest would serve the younger. Actually, at that same time she was promised they'd both become nations ("two nations are in your womb" and all that). And in that regard, what Malachi says was foreshadowed by God's promise to Rebekah, because it meant that one nation would be stronger than the other, and the stronger nation would be Jacob (Israel) with the weaker nation being Esau (Edom). So even though Esau was fairly strong throughout all of Genesis--indeed, the Edomites plagued Israel for centuries, far after the time Moses penned Genesis--in the end there are no Edomites now, even though there are lots of Jews.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12480065297568842772010-05-13T18:55:03.932-04:002010-05-13T18:55:03.932-04:00Peter,
thanks for that.
Re. you having covered t...Peter,<br /><br />thanks for that.<br /><br />Re. you having covered this before, I think it is good to go over old ground from time to time especially for people like me who are newer to the blogging world. (1Pet1:12-13).<br /><br />CheersHenryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242793531954844979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-58056840821645660782010-05-13T18:33:05.482-04:002010-05-13T18:33:05.482-04:00Peter,
what I find remarkable about this Jacob/Es...Peter,<br /><br />what I find remarkable about this Jacob/Esau story is the fact that Malachi's words exist so we can truly understand the "hatred" God is talking about.<br /><br />On the surface, find a description of what Malachi speaks about in his writings so many years later with the words of Genesis?<br /><br />It isn't there. Look see the "prosperity" that came upon Esau in his day relative to the rest of humanity. At the time of Jacob's return, though God made Jacob wealthy and great in many respects, you get the same sense about Esau, that he too was wealthy and great in many respects.<br /><br />It just goes to show me that one can gain the whole world and lose their soul, referring to the phrase:<br /><br />Luk 9:23 And he said to all, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. <br />Luk 9:24 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. <br />Luk 9:25 For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? <br /><br />I guess we can agree that Esau despised his birthright which squares with the rest of the verses:::><br /><br />Luk 9:26 For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed when he comes in his glory and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. <br /><br />What seems difficult to grasp is the "Faith" necessary to bring about forgiveness, the salvation of the soul by overcoming the world, is a "Gift" from God and is not in man? God elects. God calls. God appoints.<br /><br />Psa 135:4 For the LORD has chosen Jacob for himself, Israel as his own possession. <br />Psa 135:5 For I know that the LORD is great, and that our Lord is above all gods. <br />Psa 135:6 Whatever the LORD pleases, he does, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps. <br /><br /><br />Another remarkable aspect of this story is their mother. She was the one, remember, who, while having a hard pregnancy, went and got a word from God. It was basis that Word of Faith she received from God that she stood upon when she convinced Jacob to deceive his father. She was operating in the Gift of Faith and Jacob was operating in that Gift of Faith and it opened the floodgates to the Divine prosperity of the salvation of the souls of mankind, those elected and appointed to Eternal Life!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22279543000851912342010-05-13T18:31:02.440-04:002010-05-13T18:31:02.440-04:00God loves some sinners, and He hates other sinners...God loves some sinners, and He hates other sinners, based on His election (which is why Paul quotes this passage in Romans 9).<br /><br />We've addressed your passages many times before in the archives, so I'll be brief. Psalm 145:9 deals with the fact that God does have mercy on all (though not salvific mercy), and there's nothing illogical with having mercy even on someone you hate. Especially when you consider means-end issues.<br /><br />John 3:16 uses the word "world" generally. To give a similar expression, I could say: "I love the Colorado Avalanche." But that doesn't mean I don't want a few players traded.<br /><br />Finally, no one claims that God takes pleasure in killing the wicked. God's hate is pure. He doesn't hate the sinner just so he can take pleasure in the sinner's destruction. He hates the sinner because the sinner is worthy of hatred and He is a just God.<br /><br />The issue is not why God hates any particular sinner, but rather why He loves any particular sinner to save that sinner.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65017183604491149552010-05-13T17:45:01.129-04:002010-05-13T17:45:01.129-04:00Peter,
How do you think these verses hold in tens...Peter,<br /><br />How do you think these verses hold in tension with other verses like:<br /><br /><i>"The Lord has compassion on all He has made..."</i> Psalms<br /><i>"For God so loved the world..." </i> John<br /><i>"I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked but rather that they turn from their ways and live..." </i> Ezekiel<br /><br />etc etc...<br /><br />Does two wills in God apply here? Does God both love and hate the sinner? How does that work?Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06242793531954844979noreply@blogger.com