tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8468392232173224704..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Magic hairRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28225680110305071232014-08-07T18:10:24.201-04:002014-08-07T18:10:24.201-04:00To suggest a ubiquitous human body definitely conf...To suggest a ubiquitous human body definitely confuses the natures.Thomas Keningleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624894562826380210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56922509121516731632014-08-07T16:24:27.358-04:002014-08-07T16:24:27.358-04:00I guess that isn't the impression that I'v...I guess that isn't the impression that I've gotten from what I have heard. I would agree that "real presence" is something that is asserted, but I haven't heard that it is in the driver's seat.<br /><br />Do happen to have a reference?<br /><br />What I have heard has come from people like Jeremy Rhode in Capistrano Beach, CA and Bryan Wolfmueller in Aurora, CO.Mr. Fosihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652392944938128012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41160598990604830752014-08-07T15:13:07.615-04:002014-08-07T15:13:07.615-04:00"Divine ubiquity united to human corporality&..."Divine ubiquity united to human corporality" sounds too Chalcedonian as in "Inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union." <br /><br />Make the Nestorians squirm eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40778696379074903272014-08-07T13:47:03.729-04:002014-08-07T13:47:03.729-04:00But where communion is concerned, Lutherans take a...But where communion is concerned, Lutherans take a stronger position than the claim that God is working through the sacrament. It's more than a promised blessing. Rather, God must be *in* the sacrament to work *through* the sacrament. What *makes* it efficacious is the "real presence" (divine ubiquity united to human corporality). stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82988308931511272062014-08-07T13:28:13.757-04:002014-08-07T13:28:13.757-04:00This may have some bite against RCCs but I don'...This may have some bite against RCCs but I don't think it makes any bones against Lutherans.<br /><br />I'm not a Lutheran, but I've heard a some Lutherans speak on this topic. I think that they would agree with your final sentence, but they would disagree with the assumptions undergirding the bulk of your assessment.<br /><br />The objection might go something like this:<br /><br />"I, a Lutheran, agree that the water, bread and wine aren't like magic beans. There is nothing inherent to them that makes them efficacious, rather God has promised to meet with us through them, so He is the one doing the work through the elements. This is in agreement with your other examples of Samson's hair and the ark of the covenant. The same is true of Jesus' death on the cross. There is nothing inherent to crucifixion on a wooden cross that puts to death the sin of men, but <i>that</i> execution did because God made it efficacious for that work. Things are what God says they are and they do what God says they do."Mr. Fosihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652392944938128012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27921527324276069522014-08-07T12:56:18.346-04:002014-08-07T12:56:18.346-04:00Romanism has a really odd mix of wooden literalism...Romanism has a really odd mix of wooden literalism, and fanciful allegory. <br /><br />It's also notable how ridiculously easy it is for the deathbed cultural Catholic to receive last rites and be assured entry to heaven after living an utterly debauched life, yet how ludicrously difficult it is for the observant, practicing Catholic to be assured of heaven, regardless of how hard, fast, or long they run on Rome's good works treadmill. CRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03231394164372721485noreply@blogger.com