tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8070951532335404442..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: How to defend your cultRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41028176048105370942012-11-21T17:52:23.414-05:002012-11-21T17:52:23.414-05:00"surely you realize that the Church doesn'..."surely you realize that the Church doesn't wield authority in such a way that it would demand that Catholics shut down the natural function of their brains when reading a text, which is to interpret it."<br /><br />But of course, this is what they do in fact demand and have done so through Vatican I, the Council of Trent, and even Vatican II:<br /><br />Vatican I Council<br /><br />"Likewise I [the Bishop of Rome] accept sacred scripture according to that sense which holy mother church held and holds, since it is her right to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy scriptures; nor will I ever receive and interpret them except according to the unanimous consent of the fathers." (Session II, 3)<br /><br />"Everybody knows that those heresies, condemned by the fathers of Trent, which rejected the divine magisterium of the church and allowed religious questions to be a matter for the judgment of each individual, have gradually collapsed into a multiplicity of sects, either at variance or in agreement with one another; and by this means a good many people have had all faith in Christ destroyed." (Session III, 5)<br /><br />The Council of Trent<br /><br />"Furthermore, in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall, - in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, - wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church, - whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures, - has held and does hold, or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers; even though such interpretations were never (intended) to be at any time published. Contraveners shall be made known by their Ordinaries, and be punished with the penalties by law established." (Session IV, "Decree Concerning the Edition. And the Use, of the Sacred Books")<br /><br />Vatican II Council<br /><br />"But the task of authentically interpreting the Word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church...It is clear, therefore, that sacred tradition, sacred Scripture and the teaching authority of the Church, in accord with God's most wise design, are so linked and joined together that one cannot stand without the others, and that all together and each in its own way under the action of the one Holy Spirit contribute effectively to the salvation of souls." ("Dogmatic Constitution On Divine Revelation" [Dei Verbum] II, 10)<br /><br />"For all of what has been said about the way of interpreting Scripture is subject finally to the judgment of the Church, which carries out the divine commission and ministry of guarding and interpreting the Word of God." (Dei Verbum III, 2)Semper Reformandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14654695501552603164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31028419219984228762012-11-21T17:46:59.533-05:002012-11-21T17:46:59.533-05:00I'm a Lutheran, Steve. I was just pointing out...I'm a Lutheran, Steve. I was just pointing out a fact about sex abuse.Nicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-6542520215321033642012-11-21T17:45:23.545-05:002012-11-21T17:45:23.545-05:00Even if (ex hypothesi), that were true, since you ...Even if (ex hypothesi), that were true, since you don't think Baptists have a real church or real sacramental grace (i.e. the Mass), how does the argument from moral equivalence vindicate Rome? stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15536398708201123652012-11-21T17:37:40.718-05:002012-11-21T17:37:40.718-05:00Just one thing. Baptist sex abuse and coverup has ...Just one thing. Baptist sex abuse and coverup has been just as bad as the Catholic:<br /><br />http://stopbaptistpredators.org/index.htm<br /><br />http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/11/07/phillip-gunn-sbts-al-mohler-legal-rightmoral-right/<br /><br />http://jeriwho.net/lillypad2/Nicholas Leonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17069813028795565883noreply@blogger.com