tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post8012607366645964956..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The Pope of Eastern OrthodoxyRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55546801415200782982008-07-05T13:55:00.000-04:002008-07-05T13:55:00.000-04:00the Spirit "advenes" upon the letter of ScriptureJ...<I>the Spirit "advenes" upon the letter of Scripture</I><BR/><BR/>Just like He descended upon Christ at His Baptism by John in the Jordan, You mean? <BR/><BR/><I>The Spirit does not resurrect the letter of Scripture </I><BR/><BR/>It gives life to it, just like it did to Christ's body in the Resurrection.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62568697374573200592008-07-05T10:29:00.000-04:002008-07-05T10:29:00.000-04:00JJ said:"Feel free to point out where you verified...JJ said:<BR/><BR/>"Feel free to point out where you verified ALL your scriptures."<BR/><BR/>Try spending a little time in the archives. <BR/><BR/>And you continue to duck your own burden of proof. All you've demonstrated thus far is your inability to defend your own position. Bluster doesn't cut it.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44990630112360193332008-07-05T10:25:00.000-04:002008-07-05T10:25:00.000-04:00Feel free to point out where you verified ALL your...Feel free to point out where you verified ALL your scriptures.<BR/><BR/>Bluster doesn't cut it. And make sure its all, because you did say all, right?JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536602476561826410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50413551440037806902008-07-05T10:04:00.000-04:002008-07-05T10:04:00.000-04:00JJ said:"Feel free to verify all your scriptural t...JJ said:<BR/><BR/>"Feel free to verify all your scriptural traditions."<BR/><BR/>i)I do that on a regular basis. So I've discharged my burden of proof.<BR/><BR/>ii)Punting the question back to me does nothing to discharge your own burden of proof. <BR/><BR/>So your evasive reply fails on all counts.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-21690146905251660412008-07-05T09:04:00.000-04:002008-07-05T09:04:00.000-04:00Feel free to verify all your scriptural traditions...Feel free to verify all your scriptural traditions.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536602476561826410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86945411693614627722008-07-05T07:59:00.000-04:002008-07-05T07:59:00.000-04:00JJ said:"To pass on the extra-scriptural apostolic...JJ said:<BR/><BR/>"To pass on the extra-scriptural apostolic tradition is no more to be an ecclesiolater than it is to pass on the scriptural apostolic tradition."<BR/><BR/>Feel free to identify and verify your examples of extrascriptural apostolic tradition.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68196829312943249652008-07-05T07:31:00.000-04:002008-07-05T07:31:00.000-04:00Continual use of the rhetorical term "ecclesiolate...Continual use of the rhetorical term "ecclesiolater" is amusing, but like water off a duck's back. To pass on the extra-scriptural apostolic tradition is no more to be an ecclesiolater than it is to pass on the scriptural apostolic tradition.JJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11536602476561826410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-38837577952758022142008-07-05T02:18:00.000-04:002008-07-05T02:18:00.000-04:00"and the same Spirit gives life to the otherwise d..."and the same Spirit gives life to the otherwise dead letter of Scripture (2 Corinthians 3:6)"<BR/><BR/>That's not the meaning of 2 Cor. 3:6. You're spoof-texting again.<BR/><BR/>:-(<BR/><BR/>:-O<BR/><BR/>:-/<BR/><BR/>:-+<BR/><BR/>:-{<BR/><BR/>:-\Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18444186561078948572008-07-05T02:13:00.000-04:002008-07-05T02:13:00.000-04:00"The Holy Spirit inspired Prophets and Apostles to..."The Holy Spirit inspired Prophets and Apostles to write the word of God and create the Holy Scriptures; and the same Holy Spirit created Christ's body in the Virgin's whomb"<BR/><BR/>But again, the analogy breaks down. In Scripture, the Spirit guided the human from making error. With Christ, He incarnated a person.<BR/><BR/>"and the same Spirit gives life to the otherwise dead letter of Scripture (2 Corinthians 3:6); and through the Spirit it was that our God and Father raised Jesus up from the dead (Romans 8:11)"<BR/><BR/>The Spirit does not resurrect the letter of Scripture but makes it active. In fact, some theologians have said that the Spirit "advenes" upon the letter of Scripture. Again, that would fit the Pneumatological model.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62663678732914944732008-07-04T22:53:00.000-04:002008-07-04T22:53:00.000-04:00Lvka said: It cannot be a model of the Incarnation...Lvka said: <BR/>It cannot be a model of the Incarnation since the writers are not Divine persons with two natures and two wills.<BR/><BR/>That's a compelte non-sequitur.<BR/><BR/>7/04/2008 7:41 PM <BR/><BR/>************<BR/><BR/>Since every fallacy is a <I>non-sequitur</I>, your claim isn't very helpful. Would you mind showing <I>how</I> the one doesn't follow from the other (in context)? Or is this just a veiled <I>ad baculum</I> on your end, as usual?Errorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10615233201833238198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-23775113985476576062008-07-04T21:41:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:41:00.000-04:00It cannot be a model of the Incarnation since the ...<I>It cannot be a model of the Incarnation since the writers are not Divine persons with two natures and two wills</I>.<BR/><BR/>That's a compelte non-sequitur.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-88697609260150219442008-07-04T21:40:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:40:00.000-04:00The Scriptures are the work of the hands of men th...The Scriptures are the work of the hands of men that were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It's a divine-human co-production (or co-operation, or syn-ergy). So yes, it fits the Son. And it's the word, so it fits the Word.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26684550292493245852008-07-04T21:38:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:38:00.000-04:00The Holy Spirit inspired Prophets and Apostles to ...The Holy Spirit inspired Prophets and Apostles to write the word of God and create the Holy Scriptures; and the same Holy Spirit created Christ's body in the Virgin's whomb; and the same Spirit gives life to the <I>otherwise</I> dead letter of Scripture (2 Corinthians 3:6); and through the Spirit it was that our God and Father raised Jesus up from the dead (Romans 8:11) -- that's how the parallelism fits. But no, Scripture does NOT represent the Spirit, but the Word and Son.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47131263157343046602008-07-04T21:35:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:35:00.000-04:00That should say...Which is completely contrary to ...That should say...<BR/><BR/>Which is completely contrary to what Scripture says about itself.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55430931460854951222008-07-04T21:34:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:34:00.000-04:00"As long as the Scripture has pages and letters an..."As long as the Scripture has pages and letters and ink and was written by men under divine inspiration, not [demonic] possession, it can never be a model of the Spirit."<BR/><BR/>Which is completely contrary to Scripture says of itself.<BR/><BR/>It cannot be a model of the Incarnation since the writers are not Divine persons with two natures and two wills.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22521047480397925112008-07-04T21:31:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:31:00.000-04:00"Scripture are the word of God, and Christ is the ..."Scripture are the word of God, and Christ is the word of God."<BR/><BR/>Which commits the fallacy of equivocation.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32701677099111608312008-07-04T21:23:00.000-04:002008-07-04T21:23:00.000-04:00As long as the Scripture has pages and letters and...As long as the Scripture has pages and letters and ink and was written by men under divine inspiration, not [demonic] possession, it can never be a model of the Spirit. <BR/><BR/>Scripture are the word of God, and Christ is the word of God.The Blogger Formerly Known As Lvkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09663692507774640889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-48042466457312754472008-07-04T18:47:00.000-04:002008-07-04T18:47:00.000-04:00One more thought...The Eastern Orthodox interpreta...One more thought...<BR/><BR/>The Eastern Orthodox interpretation of John 15:26 (being an essential dogma of Orthodoxy) as referring to the eternal procession of the Spirit is one of the clearest cases of "Holy Tradition" being untrustworthy as the grid for interpreting Scripture.Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-14551064007629253062008-07-04T18:27:00.000-04:002008-07-04T18:27:00.000-04:00This once again illustrates the fallacy of Perry's...This once again illustrates the fallacy of Perry's (and Orthodoxy's) philosophical theology.<BR/><BR/>While Christ is certainly the center-piece of theology, He is that in a specific sense, and that sense is defined by Scripture.<BR/><BR/>Perry is taking the Incarnation as the model for all parts of theology. While all parts of theology are Trinitarian, they are not all Chalcedonian. Only Christology is.<BR/><BR/>By trying to bait Steve into a debate over Christology, Perry was implicitly assuming an Incarnational model of Scriptural inspiration, thus begging the very question against the Pneumatological model (i.e. the model so obviously spoken of in Scripture). While the Son was certainly made incarnate, the Holy Spirit never was, and thus, the Pneumatological model cannot be accused of being "Nestorian".<BR/><BR/>Good job!Saint and Sinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14166699860672840738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-91800160189817042422008-07-04T15:18:00.000-04:002008-07-04T15:18:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.dogfreidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13751614375780546890noreply@blogger.com