tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post781983571826612879..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Polyphonic narrationRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75201737962280286732019-09-16T23:10:38.416-04:002019-09-16T23:10:38.416-04:00WittensbergDoor wrote:
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Do you believe the whol...WittensbergDoor wrote:<br />---<br />Do you believe the whole creation is corrupted by sin or just the human condition?<br />---<br /><br />Yes, the whole of creation was corrupted by the Fall. However, many people also assume that the "corruption" includes all kinds of death. I think that there was death before then (even those who hold to man eating just vegetables overlooks plant death, and of course there's the cellular breakdown of digestion which destroys living cells and turns them into proteins, etc.). There probably wasn't as much of what we consider to be gratuitous death even among the animals, but I have no theological issue with animals eating other animals and so on, even before the Fall occurred.<br /><br />---<br />I'd also be interested in your opinion of intelligent design/ directed evolution.<br />---<br /><br />I'm not sure if you've seen my other comments on other posts, but I'm firmly in the ID camp. I don't think Darwinism is at all tenable precisely because it relies on randomness, while all the evidence I see shows very clearly that evolution must be goal oriented in order for it to work at all. In point of fact, Darwinism only works at "narrowing down" options anyway. It can't explain how we got to where we are.<br /><br />The only reason I say I'm a theistic evolutionist is because evolution =/= Darwinism. So Darwinists and the average TE proponent won't find an ally in me.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22035365284618949572019-09-16T11:19:09.143-04:002019-09-16T11:19:09.143-04:00Peter,
How do you understand the fall and its eff...Peter,<br /><br />How do you understand the fall and its effect on the world? Do you believe the whole creation is corrupted by sin or just the human condition? Both TE and OEC seem weak on theodicy to me, particularly regarding natural evil. I'm not sure it's insurmountable, but the explanations I've heard tend to strain credulity.<br /><br />I'd also be interested in your opinion of intelligent design/ directed evolution. I'm not opposed to the possibility of TE per se, but most TE advocates I hear are staunchly committed to methodological naturalism, a philosophical commitment I find far too close to deism. Since the scientific critiques of evolution given naturalism by ID / creationism seem quite strong to me, I view the antagonism towards ID by TE advocates with a great deal of suspicion.WittenbergsDoorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02946392627327916816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-87316132553797910432019-09-16T00:15:16.981-04:002019-09-16T00:15:16.981-04:00This is partly why I don't say I'm a full ...This is partly why I don't say I'm a full theistic evolutionist, even though (as I put it) I am "broadly speaking" such. I've mentioned before my own thoughts on how time really has no meaning outside of a subject to perceive it, and really I believe that that subject is specifically intended to be man. Consequently, for my own view, I actually hold fairly close to what most YECs would hold to from Genesis 2 onward (it's only Genesis 1 that I interpret more metaphorically--or typologically--which I think I have grounds from the text itself to do so). I think this could be held by more thesistic evolutionists, but my experience is as Steve has stated in that typically most TEs render at least chapters 1-9, if not the entire Old Testament, as any of the three options Steve presented.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.com