tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post7525683103038317977..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Fideism and ObfuscationRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-8230226029659700342009-09-16T10:11:44.809-04:002009-09-16T10:11:44.809-04:00I had no idea when I engaged in this email discuss...I had no idea when I engaged in this email discussion that it was to be posted as a blog. This changes everything. When I said I did not have time for dialogue I meant one-on-one discussions, which are a waste of time. I have an email list avoid-L@hawaii.edu that I prefer to use to get more people involved. The same goes for a blog. I am happy to discuss my work it that environment, again so more people are involved.<br /><br />Ask what you want.<br /><br />Vic StengerVic Stengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11832363773872711595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47771600581335468672009-09-16T10:10:46.898-04:002009-09-16T10:10:46.898-04:00I had no idea when I engaged in this email discuss...I had no idea when I engaged in this email discussion that it was to be posted as a blog. This changes everything. When I said I did not have time for dialogue I meant one-on-one discussions, which are a waste of time. I have an email list avoid-L@hawaii.edu that I prefer to use to get more people involved. The same goes for a blog. I am happy to discuss my work it that environment, again so more people are involved.<br /><br />Ask what you want.<br /><br />Vic StengerVic Stengerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11832363773872711595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-53581119587480931972009-07-17T09:37:25.633-04:002009-07-17T09:37:25.633-04:00Steve,
Nice job. Enjoyed the exchange. Would be in...Steve,<br />Nice job. Enjoyed the exchange. Would be interesting to see what hay (no pun intended) you could make of this as a YouTube video.<br /><br />Virally speaking, of course.John Farrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18280296574996987228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45570781245998183872009-07-15T09:55:08.579-04:002009-07-15T09:55:08.579-04:00TRT said:
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The self is an illusion and so, when...TRT said:<br />---<br />The self is an illusion and so, when you strip away the illusion, you embrace the world as part of you and you part of it.<br />---<br /><br />First, if we are all part of everything, then so is the "illusion." If the "illusion" is not real, then why is it universal? What purpose would it serve for the one-ness of everything to hallucinate fractures?<br /><br />But secondly, why is it that we should believe your above statement when you are using the very word "you" which differentiates between that which is "you" and that which is "not you", meaning that you obviously <i>DO</i> believe in such distinctions after all? And if you try to "escape" by saying that the term "you" is just a colloqualism, then I have to point out that the very fact that you use any language whatsoever disproves your notion, for distinctions in words refer to different concepts and different objects, which are obviously not all the same thing. If all things were the same thing, language is impossible. For that matter, so is logic, rationality, and reason. Which means that there's no meaningful way in which to say that Taoism is "true" because "true" is indistinguishable from "false" under said system. In point of fact, you're left with saying the only reason anyone can think at all is <i>because</i> the "illusion" exists.<br /><br />Therefore, if you disagree with me, you are still bound to your "illusion." And as such, your very disagreement proves that you haven't reached enlightenment. (Bummer, dude.)Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15341726932842336922009-07-15T03:12:21.893-04:002009-07-15T03:12:21.893-04:00Another way to look at Taoism is to say that Taois...Another way to look at Taoism is to say that Taoists maintain that everything is connected -- We are all part of one fabric. The self is an illusion and so, when you strip away the illusion, you embrace the world as part of you and you part of it.The Rambling Taoisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04730292897416827840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13283227022442163572009-07-14T19:35:36.245-04:002009-07-14T19:35:36.245-04:00Stenger to Hays: "I do not have time to carr...<b>Stenger to Hays</b>: <i>"I do not have time to carry on email dialogues</i>"<br /><br />Translation: "Buddha Dammit! Your sheety snark is beating up my sheety snark. I don't want to concede either in substance or concede that you're beating me in snark.<br /><br />Therefore, I pull out my "I'm too busy to trifle with a fundamentalist troll" card. I still win and you still lose. Now go away troll."Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-79107024442300576572009-07-14T19:24:18.313-04:002009-07-14T19:24:18.313-04:00While you can understand many people do not have t...While you can understand many people do not have time to engage in email discussions with their, probably, many detractors, Stenger did appear to look like a 'wussy girl's blouse'.<br /><br />He does not think clearly before writing. Like the conflation - in his book a few years ago - of the Biblical God with the Islamic Allah, as though they have the same characteristics.AMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03173461337957626248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-64444167467093728692009-07-14T17:09:40.991-04:002009-07-14T17:09:40.991-04:00"But at least many can since we don't hav..."But at least many can since we don't have God pulling the strings, in which cans none can."<br /><br />Hey, I didn't know Stenger was an Arminian....Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29933700331305632772009-07-14T17:00:05.405-04:002009-07-14T17:00:05.405-04:00hmm... The response is similar to James McGrath...hmm... The response is similar to James McGrath's I-don't-have-time-to-deal-with-these-problems excuse. You try to pin these guys down and they give you one big "humph".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com