tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post7496704199806900371..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Will Santa occupy Wall Street?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20322502047128164522014-07-08T10:23:13.285-04:002014-07-08T10:23:13.285-04:00Found this one: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/201...Found this one: http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2014/07/annotated-prooftexts.html It's more likely the one you had in mind. <br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-43618938686768829882014-07-08T10:18:04.798-04:002014-07-08T10:18:04.798-04:00Steve,
Are you talking about this post or some ot...Steve,<br /><br />Are you talking about this post or some other one? http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2014/06/having-mercy-on-whom-he-will-have-mercy.html<br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25967083706696310592014-07-07T22:28:58.097-04:002014-07-07T22:28:58.097-04:00Considering the fact that you're a 4-point Arm...Considering the fact that you're a 4-point Arminian (according to SEA's classification scheme) who affirms eternal security, you're in no position to parrot stock Wesleyan objections about the "insincerity" of warnings if it's impossible for born-again Christians to lose their salvation. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-81790233584757421622014-07-07T16:00:33.594-04:002014-07-07T16:00:33.594-04:00To begin with, you're changing the subject by ...To begin with, you're changing the subject by raising new objections. I appreciate your tacit admission that your original argument failed. So we're making progress.<br /><br />i) I just did a lengthy post which, among other things, documents the universal scope of predestination.<br /><br />ii) Your second objection begs the question. It would only be insincere if deterrence is the only function of a warning. Can you offer a reason that doesn't assume the very thing you need to prove? <br /><br />Why is predicting the consequences of a given course of action insincere–much less "impurely motivated"?<br /><br />iii) Finally, there's a type of second-order deterrence which presuppose disregard for the original warning. The fact that one person fails to heed a warning, with dire consequences, will serve as a warning to others. If people are warned not to swim in shark infested waters, a swimmer disregards the warning, and beachgoers watch a white shark eat him alive, that becomes a more persuasive warning than the merely verbal warning. It's "too late" to benefit the foolhardy swimmer, but other beachgoers benefit from his gruesome example. It's not "too late" for them. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25541424335574979232014-07-07T15:34:18.690-04:002014-07-07T15:34:18.690-04:00Steve,
"God knows what would happen if Sant...Steve, <br /><br />"God knows what would happen if Santa existed because he not only decrees Santa's bare existence, but he decrees what Santa will do. Yes, God must choose which possible outcome to instantiate. So what?" <br /><br />What's the evidence (exegetical or theological) that God has decreed what Santa will do? <br /><br />"The warning is only too late if it was God's intention to deter Solomon. But according to "divine determinism," that wasn't God's intention in the first place."<br /><br />Statements like this seem to make God insincere. If I warned someone just to able to say "I told you so" later, I think the criticism of impure motives would be fair. <br /><br />God be with you,<br />Dan Godismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18924912521876191802014-07-04T21:09:52.326-04:002014-07-04T21:09:52.326-04:00Your comment is irrelevant to what I actually said...Your comment is irrelevant to what I actually said. Try again. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75599358480841262222014-07-04T18:15:08.417-04:002014-07-04T18:15:08.417-04:00ii. simply begs the question. You would need to gi...ii. simply begs the question. You would need to give a non-circular argument that "x is determinate" implies "x is determined"Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07760732528070189410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40536300282846375212014-07-04T16:51:26.591-04:002014-07-04T16:51:26.591-04:00On Calvinism God would also know the factors that ...On Calvinism God would also know the factors that would have shaped Santa's psychological make up (both in terms of historical nurture and genetic nature) On Calvinism counterfactuals don't spring up from nowhere, nor does their grounding exist independent of God (like Platonic forms/idea or something similar). On Calvinism God's necessary/natural knowledge would know all the possible Santas (plural) He (i.e. God) could logically instantiate in different timelines if He so chose. <br /><br />On Calvinism, God doesn't need, nor is it possible for God to have middle knowledge. In Calvinism, the concept of middle knowledge is both superfluous and endangers the doctrine of God's aseity (i.e. God's self-sufficiency, self-existence, sole-independence, sole-necessity, sole-eternality). In Calvinism the only limits on God's choice of which world(s) to instantiate would be His own power and that which is logically possible. But those two limits are both part of God's own nature.<br /><br />By Calvinism I'm referring to <b>historic</b> Calvinism because there are some modern Calvinist theologians who entertain the possibility of media scientia.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50726785705778989342014-07-04T16:47:35.340-04:002014-07-04T16:47:35.340-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.com