tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post7465845641735730378..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: No hard feelings, right?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2187691739134853032019-11-10T18:23:06.787-05:002019-11-10T18:23:06.787-05:00Any pope from the 15th or 16th century would have ...Any pope from the 15th or 16th century would have excommunicated Francis. Not that popes excommunicating other popes would be a new thing for Catholicism.Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00683320115621070088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-64142893410708811132019-11-09T11:31:30.696-05:002019-11-09T11:31:30.696-05:00I love that at the end of the article, Mr. Dizon h...I love that at the end of the article, Mr. Dizon has to get in the obligatory "Protestantism is so divided" bit. To which I might respond, "is the current Pope even an orthodox Catholic"?Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66155888096317461942019-11-09T11:16:16.095-05:002019-11-09T11:16:16.095-05:00I'm glad that someone understands.I'm glad that someone understands. Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15056210915546208869noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-61571039212485205932019-11-09T02:20:19.054-05:002019-11-09T02:20:19.054-05:00All great points that, if Steve should post a blog...All great points that, if Steve should post a blog, ought to be repeated (by you, me, or someone else) in the combox if Steve doesn't include it in the main post.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24810227899147101322019-11-09T01:08:43.567-05:002019-11-09T01:08:43.567-05:00Not that my opinion is worth much, and certainly n...Not that my opinion is worth much, and certainly not much in comparison to Steve or Jason, but for what it's worth, if anything:<br /><br />"Even though I was in the Evangelical world, the question of “which Christian denomination is the true one?” never left me."<br /><br />That's a fairly big assumption. Why should there be only "one" "true" "Christian denomination"? <br /><br />"I have always had Catholic friends in my life who have endeavoured to bring me back to the Church. I distinctly recall one of my friends (a Catholic convert from Evangelicalism) predicting way back in early 2012 that I would eventually come full circle and become Catholic again...At this same time, several of my friends in Evangelical and Reformed circles were crossing the Tiber. I would always have a friend crossing the Tiber here and there, but during the years 2016-2018, there was a sustained wave of conversions happening among my friend circles (there was also a smaller number of them opting for Eastern Orthodoxy, Lutheranism, and High-Church Anglicanism). This was happening as I was re-opening many of the issues I previously thought that I had resolved in my mind, as a direct result of my studies at Wycliffe."<br /><br />This explains a lot. Many people are readily affected by their friends. What their friends do. Where their friends go.<br /><br />"The Reformed phase of my life lasted for approximately nine and a half years. I continued to identify as Reformed even as I did my Master of Theological Studies at Wycliffe College (a seminary run by the Anglican Church). My sense for the need for a high sacramentology and a historically-grounded liturgy became more acute during my stay there."<br /><br />Of course, there's "historically-gorunded liturgy" in Reformed churches too.<br /><br />Why "sense...the need for a high sacramentology" rather than sense the need for what the Bible teaches about sacramentology? It's possible both coincide, but shouldn't that be decided after the fact (e.g. examing biblical theology) rather than the lead?<br /><br />"I have read and listened to way more James R. White and R. C. Sproul than almost any other Reformed preacher, and I went deep into their brand of populist, reactionary Calvinism...I also distinctly remember watching Trent Horn vs. James White debate the question of whether Christians can lose their salvation in early 2017 (see here), and finding Horn’s arguments to be significantly better than White’s. I had watched some of White’s debates with Catholic apologists before, but I resolved at that point to watch every single one of them (you can find a list of them here). It’s easy to think that White did well in these debates when one’s impression of them comes from 15-minute excerpts and post-debate commentary on the Dividing Line. It’s quite another picture when one actually watches all of the debates from beginning to end (although to be fair, most of those debates weren’t available online until recently). Not all of the Catholic apologists he debated were equally proficient. I noted that when he faced off against, for example, Jimmy Akin, Mitch Pacwa, or Robert Sungenis, the latter would often offer very well-reasoned and compelling arguments for the Catholic position, which I was forced to reckon with."<br /><br />I've read and listened to a lot of White and Sproul. I've likewised listened to most of White's debates too. However I'd say White won against these Catholics. I don't agree with him, but I always enjoyed Mitch Pacwa. He's a pleasant person to dialoge with. <br /><br />In any case, Luis describes White and Sproul as "populist", but based on what he says in this post he got the mainstay of his Reformed theology from "populists" rather than (say) Reformed scholars with more intellectual heft.Hawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01142879704651632453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-33417911626651898822019-11-09T00:52:09.761-05:002019-11-09T00:52:09.761-05:00I have some thoughts on how to respond, but I susp...I have some thoughts on how to respond, but I suspect you'd make similar responses and say it better.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83208436974859074192019-11-09T00:43:21.017-05:002019-11-09T00:43:21.017-05:00Steve, could you write a blogpost critiquing Luis ...Steve, could you write a blogpost critiquing Luis Dizon's article:<br /><br /><b><a href="https://eacanada.wordpress.com/2019/10/31/looking-back-at-the-reformed-tradition-one-year-later/" rel="nofollow">Looking Back at the Reformed Tradition: One Year Later</a></b><br />https://eacanada.wordpress.com/2019/10/31/looking-back-at-the-reformed-tradition-one-year-later/<br /><br />Maybe Jason can also respond with a post regarding the church fathers.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75879896843373876232019-11-08T22:43:04.454-05:002019-11-08T22:43:04.454-05:00Catholics' stock reply concerning any change t...Catholics' stock reply concerning any change that completely contradicts an earlier stance is the one you quoted from the CCC:<br /><br />"Regrettable as these facts are, the Church always taught...." <br /><br />They have this idealistic, pure, fantasy of a church which they hold dear in their hearts and pledge their undying fealty to.<br /><br />But what it leaves them with is a church no one knows anything definitive about...until after the fact. <br /><br />Still, it allows them to totally disavow any ugliness and error. The clean, fresh rose of a church is never to blame...even if, on the surface, it conspires with slave traders and torturers and misogynists and "witch" burners for generations (or even centuries) on end.<br /><br /><br /> Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12813848972700972321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68467448634735732072019-11-08T18:41:47.464-05:002019-11-08T18:41:47.464-05:00So it's like this: torturing criminals is like...So it's like this: torturing criminals is like an acorn, but not torturing criminals is like the tree.<br /><br />Why aren't you getting this?Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00683320115621070088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5393547591380634742019-11-08T16:57:58.226-05:002019-11-08T16:57:58.226-05:00Great post!Great post!ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.com