tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post7302878503994670787..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Conflicted feminismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44748433988504486162012-07-27T06:36:22.123-04:002012-07-27T06:36:22.123-04:00You're seriously my new hero. Ha ha ha.... I l...You're seriously my new hero. Ha ha ha.... I loved every argument and some stood out and they are below,<br /><br />1. “Do you realize how many people that you just called worthless?”<br /> No, it’s evolution that implicitly calls them worthless.<br /><br />2. “Even you with your smug, self-righteous attitude.”<br /> That’s not the response of a critical thinker. Rather, that’s just an emotional, <br /> defensive reaction.<br /><br />3. “Haven’t felt anything even remotely like love from you this whole damn time.”<br /> You’re resorting to emotional manipulation. That’s a transparent ploy.<br /> It’s also phony to recast the issue in terms of “love” when all I’ve done is to <br /> treat you as an intellectual equal. Do you or don’t you wish to be treated as an <br /> intellectual equal? If yes, then stop acting hurt when I take you up on the <br /> challenge. If you want to be a feminist you need to get off that pedestal.<br /><br />3.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30540934314650608872012-07-26T14:17:43.711-04:002012-07-26T14:17:43.711-04:00Explain how you'd win the person without winni...Explain how you'd win the person without winning the debate? Would you let her many false beliefs go unchallenged?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-8710574062855176992012-07-26T14:14:53.128-04:002012-07-26T14:14:53.128-04:00What makes you think she's open to being "...What makes you think she's open to being "won" (whatever that's supposed to mean)? <br /><br />There is also a basic difference between a private conversation and/or face-to-face conversation and a public debate.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-53273808132851994022012-07-26T13:39:02.010-04:002012-07-26T13:39:02.010-04:00If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.
...<i>If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.<br />If it is about winning any rational person reading the debate, you won it.</i><br /><br />Question: Let's suppose an irrational person who's prone to hysterical emotionalism holds to a faulty conviction or a faulty set of beliefs. If reasoned debate can't win them over, and can't win them away from their faulty set of beliefs without triggering hysterical emotionalism, then what method would turn them away from their faulty set of beliefs?Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-78453719891497585992012-07-26T13:01:02.593-04:002012-07-26T13:01:02.593-04:00Sometimes, I wonder whether people who talk about ...Sometimes, I wonder whether people who talk about "winning the person" have ever actually read the Bible to see how Jesus debates with people who are not teachable. Maybe they have some sort of alternate set of rules of engagement that they have adopted in order to feel superior to Biblical Christians, or to be admired by their secular colleagues. But as for us, we follow Jesus, and Jesus is not a doormat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-21207649442245510302012-07-26T12:56:46.105-04:002012-07-26T12:56:46.105-04:00If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.
...If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.<br />If it is about winning any rational person reading the debate, you won it.<br /><br />It was a magnificent victory for you, Mr. Hays. And this is the exact way it needs to be done. Unapologetically, and directly, until you break through the arrogance and the pride. Then you can be compassionate. BUT NOT BEFORE.<br /><br />If only all Christian men could hold feminists inside and outside the church accountable for their views, using reason and evidence like you can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30988431395245973382012-07-26T12:47:30.307-04:002012-07-26T12:47:30.307-04:00If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.
...If the point of this is to win a debate, you won.<br />If it is about winning a person, you lost it.Ram Golihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10798563768294393557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80684416885695156052012-07-26T12:27:35.942-04:002012-07-26T12:27:35.942-04:00Zing, headshot! To God that I could marshal my tho...Zing, headshot! To God that I could marshal my thoughts like this. Well, well done, Stephen. Signed, your newest reader.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14147714446076460699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84158198880962686532012-07-23T10:56:26.508-04:002012-07-23T10:56:26.508-04:00Sometimes that's cultural. For instance, men i...Sometimes that's cultural. For instance, men in Mediterranean and Middle Eastern countries are apt to be more openly emotional than N. Europeans. <br /><br />Men and women can be equally emotional about some of the same things (e.g. family). However, they also tend to be emotional about different things. The very different reaction of male and female jurors to the Menendez brothers is a classic case in point.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41161674233341993862012-07-22T12:42:10.172-04:002012-07-22T12:42:10.172-04:00For what it's worth, if anything, I posted the...<i>For what it's worth, if anything, I posted the following in Rebekah Wilson's combox.</i><br /><br />Mary said:<br /><br />"But see, people listened and wanted to follow Jesus because he wasn’t rude, self-righteous and condescending towards them."<br /><br />Actually, not all people listened and wanted to follow Jesus. Only some people listened and wanted to follow Jesus. Jesus was divisive.<br /><br />Jesus was gracious to the humble and repentant. But he likewise rebuked the arrogant and unrepentant.<br /><br />"My favourite story is the of of the woman at the well. Yes, he told her to 'go and sin no more' but he also saved her from all the people who wished to do her harm because she was a sinner. She decided to 'straigtened up and fnly right' because Jesus treated her with respect when no one else did. That, to me, is what I think Christians should be striving for. And unfortunately, many don’t."<br /><br />At best you're conflating two separate events: Jesus and the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4) and Jesus and the woman caught in adultery (John 8). <br /><br />However, it's the second story which features Jesus saying, "Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more" (John 8:11), and in which Jesus "saved her from all the people who wished to do her harm because she was a sinner."<br /><br />There's another slight problem. John 7:53-8:11 (<i>pericope adulterae</i>) isn't featured in the earliest and best NT manuscripts. It's virtually certain that the <i>pericope adulterae</i> was not part of the original Gospel of John. For example, just check out what a couple of the foremost modern NT textual critics have to say on the topic (e.g. the late Bruce Metzger, Daniel Wallace).<br /><br />So the fact that you can't get the events correct is a bit of a concern given that you're attempting to interpret and draw moral conclusions from the passage(s).<br /><br />Or to put it another way, for starters, why should Christians believe a non-Christian's interpretation of passages with which she herself isn't familiar enough to know basic plot points?<br /><br />"Sorry that you think I’m being dishonest. I see it as pointing out your hypocisy. You claim to follow the Savior and yet you are nothing like him. Sad."<br /><br />You claim to be morally superior in this regard to Christians. But you haven't exactly been very kind, gracious, and loving toward others in this combox let alone the author of this post.rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30281929526012898292012-07-21T21:49:53.607-04:002012-07-21T21:49:53.607-04:00You're seriously my new hero. Well done :)You're seriously my new hero. Well done :)deniseja9https://www.blogger.com/profile/06853715333560111981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80322309083300203362012-07-21T19:44:48.668-04:002012-07-21T19:44:48.668-04:00Hey, Steve. First time commenter (I think). Your d...Hey, Steve. First time commenter (I think). Your dialogue here, along with the rest of the Wilson-Wilson-Evans kerfuffle, has definitely helped me to see first-hand the common ploys of feminists. Feelings get "hurt" as soon as the first blunt word is spoken, and from that point, all hope for reasonable discussion is lost. It's helpful when another woman, in this case Rebekah, can effectively blow the lid off this tactic:<br /><br />"If she doesn't like the stereotypical 'little woman' thing...then she should stop being the stereotypical little woman. She’s ready to cry and get her feelings hurt at the drop of a hat, and she does so because it's very hard for a man to argue with a woman who's pulling that trick."<br /><br />I'm sure it's frustrating for you and others to have to constantly be painted as the big meanies, but no one will ever stop the mouth of feminism by capitulating to its devices.<br /><br />Oh, and just an FYI: I think her name is Rebekah Merkle. Wife of Ben.<br /><br />Grace and peace.Joel Griffishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15785666994377354173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51645974501409291382012-07-21T18:37:59.276-04:002012-07-21T18:37:59.276-04:00"You are being condescending and rude."
..."You are being condescending and rude."<br /><br />Logic is always rude to the illogical. If it wasn't, we'd all be a bunch of really nice idiots.B. C. Hodgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02828477115799852133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74962749283934092702012-07-21T18:24:57.960-04:002012-07-21T18:24:57.960-04:00Steve you mentioned emotions a few times in this p...Steve you mentioned emotions a few times in this post. I'm curious, do you have anything to say about men like John Boehner who wear their hearts on their sleeves and are constantly crying in public?ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-79802905099125997072012-07-21T17:07:09.593-04:002012-07-21T17:07:09.593-04:00All you’ve been doing for the last few comments is...<i>All you’ve been doing for the last few comments is threatening to hold your breath until you turn blue unless we cave. That doesn’t work on me.</i><br /><br />lolANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-61872414717414648282012-07-21T16:58:26.061-04:002012-07-21T16:58:26.061-04:00Keep fighting the good fight, Steve.Keep fighting the good fight, Steve.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.com