tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6983179506832741073..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Better Never to Have Been: The Harm of Coming into ExistenceRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46904483853242850672007-03-15T00:21:00.000-04:002007-03-15T00:21:00.000-04:00OK, seriously now...I was trying to be funny like ...OK, seriously now...I was trying to be funny like you guys, but basically what I do to alleviate suffering is I try not to leave the house much. I spend a lot of time alone, thinking about such killer arguments against Christianity, like the bird-man argument. Perhaps you've heard of it. Also, the Outsider Test. Yeah, Richard Dawkins said the logic of the Outsider Test was insurmountable. And then there's the puppy argument against the existence of God. So, that's what I do to make the world a better place. And I think you can see my contributions are quite significant...John W. Lostushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487692954588047858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-87898254334550726902007-03-14T23:53:00.000-04:002007-03-14T23:53:00.000-04:00I did answer your question. I guess you just don't...I did answer your question. I guess you just don't like my answer...John W. Lostushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487692954588047858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90036538973985545882007-03-14T10:32:00.000-04:002007-03-14T10:32:00.000-04:00John, I guess you ignoring my question either mean...John, I guess you ignoring my question either means 1) my question is silly and has already been answered by you so the only fitting response is to ignore me, even though my question about what you are doing to alleviate any suffering is a sincere one, and even though I have never seen you even attempt to answer it, ever, or 2) you refuse to face head on that your theories simply cause you to use the suffering in the world to prop up your arguments, but at heart, you never do anything about it. If this is not true please let me know what you are doing personally. <BR/><BR/>Carry on then. Keep using the 'obvious' suffering as an argument only. When you are actually willing to put your money where your mouth is, let me know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55232242177569008582007-03-13T22:32:00.000-04:002007-03-13T22:32:00.000-04:00David, I guess your response either means 1) my qu...David, I guess your response either means 1) my questions are silly and have already been answered by you so the only fitting response is to laugh at me, even though my questions about existing are sincere ones, and even though I have never seen you even attempt to answer them, ever, or 2) you refuse to face head on what your theology commits you to, so you refuse to deal with it. If there are other options please let me know what they are.<BR/><BR/>Bottom tier buddy. Sorry. But that conclusion is inescapable. <BR/><BR/>Carry on then. Bring on more ridicule. When you actually want to deal with this problem, let me know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65573131144050491792007-03-13T21:51:00.000-04:002007-03-13T21:51:00.000-04:00Well, er...nothing. I mean, this is just talk rig...Well, er...nothing. I mean, this is just talk right? As long as I can play pool, drink beer, and insult you guys my existence pretty much has enough meaning for me.John W. Lostushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07487692954588047858noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-21129319373196083542007-03-13T21:36:00.000-04:002007-03-13T21:36:00.000-04:00John,All theological and atheological arguments as...John,<BR/><BR/>All theological and atheological arguments aside, what are you personally doing to alleviate the suffering of even one person. Or do you simply like bringing this up over and over and over again to bolster your atheistic arguments. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and show us all what you are doing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10121809290462391542007-03-13T19:13:00.000-04:002007-03-13T19:13:00.000-04:00"You actually make me sick.MORE FROM LOFTUS:If God...<B>"You actually make me sick.</B><BR/><BR/>MORE FROM LOFTUS:<BR/><BR/>If God exists, why would he make so many people who make me sick? A good God would have put us on different planets, so I wouldn't get sick thinking about you disgusting people and your logic and all that. If I had the choice between living in a world with you people, and not living at all, I'd rather not exist. But here again, God hasn't given me what I want. So I will fight against him with all my might, and I will teach him that no one denies John Loftus! No one!David Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10613366053392696689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-36208350160015952092007-03-13T17:45:00.000-04:002007-03-13T17:45:00.000-04:00Okay, funny guys.Have you ever heard of the phrase...Okay, funny guys.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever heard of the phrase, "you'll wish you were never born?" That usually refers to someone who is about to be beaten or tortured to a bloddy pulp. There have been such people you know. There have been people born who never had a pleasurable day, due to sickness, starvation, and torture. There are teenagers who have merely spoken their minds only to spend the rest of their lives in a gulag and to die never seeing their parent again. I could go on and on and on, of course.<BR/><BR/>This is what I'm referring to, and all you can do is to joke about it. But I understand why you must do so. Because you can't face the problem head on for what it really is.<BR/><BR/>But there is more. After these people die according to Christian theology some of them, maybe most of them will suffer eternal conscious torment forever in hell. This is where the other shoe drops.<BR/><BR/>Face the problem head on. There are people according to YOUR own theology who wish they had never been born.<BR/><BR/>Stop joking about thie real situation from the standpoint of siler spoon in your mouths.<BR/><BR/>You actually make me sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-21216367462835227692007-03-13T17:05:00.000-04:002007-03-13T17:05:00.000-04:00In all seriousness, I fail to see how the Christia...In all seriousness, I fail to see how the Christian philosophy doesn't bring you to question bringing a child into this world more than I will question doing so: while I may, in fact, have a child with a finite life that may or may not be miserable and may or may not have cosmic "meaning" (as if "meaning's" existence is metaphysically objective), <I>you</I> may bring a child into existence which faces an <B>infinite</B> misery and whose "meaning" is to be consigned as a "vessel fit for destruction" and cast into hell.<BR/><BR/>How can <I>you</I> feel comforted at that thought? "Oh well, God chooses who He will?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44903001324368688712007-03-13T14:36:00.000-04:002007-03-13T14:36:00.000-04:00LOFTUS CONTINUES:And geez, God could have created ...LOFTUS CONTINUES:<BR/><BR/>And geez, God could have created people with FOUR hands, so they could get lots more work done, earn more money, and be far happier and not worry about money! And for all of those poor people who don't have two hands like others, if people were born with 4 hands, at least those people would have 2 hands.<BR/>It is so bizarre that you Christians could believe in such bizarre bizarreries and be bizarrely certain of such bizarreness.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-72435555447727361622007-03-13T10:02:00.000-04:002007-03-13T10:02:00.000-04:00THIS JUST IN FROM JOHN LOFTUS:Jim,You said that yo...THIS JUST IN FROM JOHN LOFTUS:<BR/><BR/>Jim,<BR/><BR/>You said that you're raising your hand because you'd rather live. But what about all the people who can't raise their hands because their hands have been chopped off in an accident? What about them? Huh?!! What about people who were born without hands! It must be easy for you to raise your hand, since you've got one. But other people don't have them, and they all understand that it would be better to die. Yeah, they understand. They can't play Nintendo like you. Cause they don't have hands. So think about that, Mr. Handman. Think about people with no hands. And you'll see that we'd all be better off not existing. That's why I don't like God, you know. Cause he made me exist and all. And he doesn't give me everything I want. That's just not right.David Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10613366053392696689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32463255260971379252007-03-13T09:02:00.000-04:002007-03-13T09:02:00.000-04:00It's all rather subjective, isn't it? I'll answer ...It's all rather subjective, isn't it? I'll answer with a subjective response. Let's see a show of hands: who is glad they were born - despite any discomfort? I'm raising mine.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5141599328800780682007-03-13T00:54:00.000-04:002007-03-13T00:54:00.000-04:00That was breathtaking Steve. I'm a little choked ...That was breathtaking Steve. I'm a little choked up about it, man, that was eloquent. Well, truth is a lot more brutal than we thought, eh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54172701964415894622007-03-12T20:59:00.000-04:002007-03-12T20:59:00.000-04:00This guy sounds like John Loftus with a PhD.This guy sounds like John Loftus with a PhD.David Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10613366053392696689noreply@blogger.com