tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6908586398227944216..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Incestuous kinismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-9882777153468409672010-01-10T01:04:50.394-05:002010-01-10T01:04:50.394-05:00Very cute, Steve.
Connecting close blood relativ...Very cute, Steve. <br /><br />Connecting close blood relatives with incest is like sovereignty with the problem of evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-67443690708290758692008-10-14T22:23:00.000-04:002008-10-14T22:23:00.000-04:00"This assumes that many will have faith. And what ...<I>"This assumes that many will have faith. And what guarantee is there that many will have faith? If you answer affirmatively, then on what basis do you affirm this?"</I><BR/><BR/>On the basis that God foresaw that many would believe and that he told us so in the Bible.<BR/><BR/><I>"i) Proegno doesn’t mean “ to foreknow.” It means “to choose beforehand.” Even Witherington, in his commentary on Romans, admits that much."</I><BR/><BR/>There are two "fore-" verbs in Romans 8:29. There is proegno which is a conjugation of proginosko meaning "to foresee" and there is prowrisen which is a conjugation of proorizo "to predetermine." You are confusing the two. Now, because they mean different things, the passage says "whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate" (KJV) and "whom He foreknew, He also predestined" (NASB) and "whom he foreknew he also predestined" (NRSV) and "those God foreknew he also predestined" (NIV) and "whom he foreknew he also predestined" (ESV). According to your MISINFORMATION, however, the passage ought to be translation "whom he predestined he also predestined" which is just plain asinine. Every translation cited above shows that there was both foreknowledge and predestination, and the predestination was based on the foreknowledge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86233797018064180842008-10-14T10:09:00.000-04:002008-10-14T10:09:00.000-04:00i) Proegno doesn’t mean “ to foreknow.” It means “...i) Proegno doesn’t mean “ to foreknow.” It means “to choose beforehand.” Even Witherington, in his commentary on Romans, admits that much. <BR/><BR/>ii) Furthermore, even if it did mean “to foreknow,” Rom 8:29 doesn’t say that God chooses anyone on the basis of foreseen “faith.” You’ve interpolated that condition into the text. <BR/><BR/>For a full-blown critique of conditional election, cf.<BR/><BR/>http://blogs.lifeway.com/blog/edstetzer/Welton%20Election%20and%20Effectual%20Calling.pdfstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-72049329336343126312008-10-14T08:23:00.000-04:002008-10-14T08:23:00.000-04:00Beowulf said:There is a guarantee the many will be...Beowulf said:<BR/><BR/><I>There is a guarantee the many will because Arminianism asserts that the basis of election is foreseen faith.</I><BR/><BR/>This assumes that <B>many</B> will have faith. And what guarantee is there that <B>many</B> will have faith? If you answer affirmatively, then on what basis do you affirm this?<BR/><BR/>MarkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-34813508574712160812008-10-14T00:03:00.000-04:002008-10-14T00:03:00.000-04:00There is a guarantee the many will because Arminia...There is a guarantee the <I>many</I> will because Arminianism asserts that the basis of election is foreseen faith. "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Rom 8:29) As many as God foresaw would believe (on the conditional: if he sent his Son to the cross and if he ordered their physical circumstances in this world via his graceful providence to be such that they would hear the gospel [as he did with Cornelius])--as many as he foresaw would believe, he subsequently predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-58831336526334586622008-10-13T08:19:00.000-04:002008-10-13T08:19:00.000-04:00BEOWULF2K8 SAID:Calvinism is also for "whosoever w...BEOWULF2K8 SAID:<BR/><BR/>Calvinism is also for "whosoever will" and thus cannot be racist. <BR/><BR/>But in Arminianism, there's no guarantee that "anyone will." Thus, Calvinism doesn't have callous indifference of Arminianism.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75803320227736570592008-10-12T23:41:00.000-04:002008-10-12T23:41:00.000-04:00Arminianism is for "whosoever will" and thus canno...Arminianism is for "whosoever will" and thus cannot be racist. It doesn't have eletist tendency of Calvinism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62267208151572393892008-10-12T20:23:00.000-04:002008-10-12T20:23:00.000-04:00Given its Libertarian commitments, is kinism a new...Given its Libertarian commitments, is kinism a new type of Arminianism?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-37175502894912349512008-10-12T19:48:00.000-04:002008-10-12T19:48:00.000-04:00Is kinism a new type of Calvinism that asserts tha...Is kinism a new type of Calvinism that asserts that God only elects your kin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com