tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6775914469214606473..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: It's Greek to me!Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-37960393965119052262012-05-01T14:47:39.058-04:002012-05-01T14:47:39.058-04:00"repeated reading would reinforce fluency&quo..."repeated reading would reinforce fluency"<br /><br />Good point, Steve.<br /><br />I wish that I had realized that earlier. I was trying so hard to parse and analyze each word, that I guess I never learned to read it like a real language. They didn't seem to stress that issue. With all the other classes in seminary, it was hard to do - they seemed to deliberately overload us with lots of classes and papers to make it impossible to master Greek and Hebrew. (in order to teach future pastors and missionaries what it will be like in real life ministry - not having enough time to study thoroughly, so it forces one to "fit the task to the time") This kind of thing drives perfectionists personalities crazy.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-515767939642084052012-05-01T14:40:31.827-04:002012-05-01T14:40:31.827-04:00oh wow, my post disappeared!
Too much to reconstru...oh wow, my post disappeared!<br />Too much to reconstruct right now.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-4961068415946076432012-05-01T14:38:51.032-04:002012-05-01T14:38:51.032-04:00some contractions.
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some c...some contractions.<br /><br />oops<br />should have been:<br /><br />some constructionsKenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-36320649333359187532012-05-01T14:37:04.009-04:002012-05-01T14:37:04.009-04:00Good point Steve,
I guess I was never trained in j...Good point Steve,<br />I guess I was never trained in just reading the bare text, as you are describing.<br /><br />From the beginning, I was too dependent on the grammar and Lexicons - Seminary seemed to deliberately overload you with too much work (at the same time as Greek, having papers to write for OT Survey, Hermeneutics, Ethics, Missions classes. and at the same time as Hebrew - Systematic Theology courses, Pastoral courses, church history, etc.<br /><br />As a result, I recognize easy words, and easy paradigms, but have to look up the harder participial stuff and some contractions.<br /><br />And I forgot so much of Hebrew, that I almost have to look up most words, except for the real easy ones.<br /><br />But, Farsi is easier because I learned it as a real language and practice reading the whole thing constantly.<br /><br />Good that you had that training in the Iliad, etc. <br /><br />All I had was 2 years of Greek in Seminary and 1 year of Hebrew but it was all too crammed for time with all the other courses in Systematic Theology, etc.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-83796425633389528842012-05-01T08:05:10.549-04:002012-05-01T08:05:10.549-04:00Ken,
If Pastors read several chapters a day from ...Ken,<br /><br />If Pastors read several chapters a day from the Greek NT, Hebrew OT, and LXX, they wouldn't need to spend so much time consulting lexicons. Repeated reading would reinforce fluency.<br /><br />BTW, when I was in college I took directed readings in Greek. I'd meet with my Classics prof. for an hour once a week and translate a section of the LXX or the Iliad. I had the week before to prepare for each session, but when I was there, it was just me and the original text. I had to do it from memory.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20936587439362913542012-05-01T00:38:46.293-04:002012-05-01T00:38:46.293-04:00I wouldn't be surprised if Steve can speak in ...I wouldn't be surprised if Steve can speak in the tongues of men and of angels, too.rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-73995445838201891892012-05-01T00:35:30.092-04:002012-05-01T00:35:30.092-04:00I once heard Steve give a lecture entirely in Quen...I once heard Steve give a lecture entirely in Quenya without once opening his mouth; it was entirely in my head! So not only can Steve communicate in multiple languages but he can communicate these languages telepathically.rockingwithhawkinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10550503108269371174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-61622384274838706212012-04-30T23:45:46.698-04:002012-04-30T23:45:46.698-04:00Reading several chapters a day of Greek and Hebrew...Reading several chapters a day of Greek and Hebrew and the LXX is a high standard for pastors.<br /><br />I wish I could keep it up - I do well just to translate a paragraph or section for a sermon using Lexicons and grammars and constantly refreshing and looking up stuff again.Kenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17824685809003307918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13886875967916828682012-04-30T20:25:52.107-04:002012-04-30T20:25:52.107-04:00Matthew Schultz said...
"I once heard Steve ...Matthew Schultz said...<br /><br />"I once heard Steve give a lecture entirely in Quenya."<br /><br />I credit that to the excellent education I received on K-PAX.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-77431514001966653422012-04-30T20:21:23.331-04:002012-04-30T20:21:23.331-04:00Mathetes said...
"Steve frequently conducts ...Mathetes said...<br /><br />"Steve frequently conducts small talk in binary."<br /><br />The Bynars were my next door neighbors, just three parsecs from my home planet.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-90363451177262310982012-04-30T20:18:10.217-04:002012-04-30T20:18:10.217-04:00John Bugay said...
"I'd be confident to ...John Bugay said...<br /><br />"I'd be confident to say that Steve knows 'em all.<br /><br />In the words of Charles V, "I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse."stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45629842437630873242012-04-30T20:14:17.273-04:002012-04-30T20:14:17.273-04:00TRUTH UNITES... AND DIVIDES SAID:
"Steve, Do...TRUTH UNITES... AND DIVIDES SAID:<br /><br />"Steve, Do you mind sharing what languages you know? Just curious, that's all."<br /><br />I'm fluent in Vulcan and Rihannsu. I can read Cardassian novels. I know how to swear in Klingon. And I know how to order food or ask where the bathroom is in the Jarada language.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1200177037334669962012-04-30T18:52:41.349-04:002012-04-30T18:52:41.349-04:00I once heard Steve give a lecture entirely in Quen...I once heard Steve give a lecture entirely in Quenya.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784922935749497931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44315058883262348592012-04-30T17:24:35.974-04:002012-04-30T17:24:35.974-04:00Steve frequently conducts small talk in binary.Steve frequently conducts small talk in binary.Matheteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13527032591499860552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-39916694084416107052012-04-30T13:40:21.220-04:002012-04-30T13:40:21.220-04:00I'd be confident to say that Steve knows '...I'd be confident to say that Steve knows 'em all.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-91612458799218956852012-04-30T13:35:34.084-04:002012-04-30T13:35:34.084-04:00Steve,
Do you mind sharing what languages you kno...Steve,<br /><br />Do you mind sharing what languages you know? Just curious, that's all.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-11554569219401353802012-04-30T13:11:32.582-04:002012-04-30T13:11:32.582-04:00I tend to agree with everything you say. I would ...I tend to agree with everything you say. I would even be willing to lower the bar further, to include those with a mastery of their native tongue, and with a good understanding of their own limitations in the original languages.<br /><br />Unfortunately, that would still exclude about 70% of American young men, who cannot be said to have a mastery even of their own native tongue.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.com