tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6706768559064883892..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Glorified tuna saladRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30169316465679720082010-11-23T13:08:47.016-05:002010-11-23T13:08:47.016-05:00As I said in my post, that's that's the ea...As I said in my post, that's that's the earliest primary source for the legend of Peter's upside down crucifixion. Feel free to react your appeal to the primary source material for Peter's upside down crucifixion, and issue a public apology.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-37197740977584585012010-11-23T12:37:26.978-05:002010-11-23T12:37:26.978-05:00For the record, I have never cited that source. I...For the record, I have never cited that source. I challenge Mr. Hays to present documentation of me ever citing that source - or to retract this article and publicly apologize for the false accusation and/or implication. It is clear by the responses that some now feel I have used this source - and that is wholly false.<br /> <br />Scott<<<CathApolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17762504684024359557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1497696395307213382010-11-21T12:57:24.755-05:002010-11-21T12:57:24.755-05:00Yes, perhaps a canine bishop or pontiff.Yes, perhaps a canine bishop or pontiff.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28659656464784661792010-11-21T11:45:55.845-05:002010-11-21T11:45:55.845-05:00Steve,
in light of the title of this thread, one ...Steve,<br /><br />in light of the title of this thread, one would suppose the dog wore a mitre?<br /><br />I knew there was always something fishy about that head gear!<br /><br />Hmmmmm, a fish hound! I wonder what sound is a fish hound sound?<br /><br />But, it certainly goes a long way in the exegesis of these verses:<br /><br /><br />Mar 1:14 Now after John was arrested, Jesus came into Galilee, proclaiming the gospel of God, <br />Mar 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." <br />Mar 1:16 Passing alongside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew the brother of Simon casting a net into the sea, for they were fishermen. <br />Mar 1:17 And Jesus said to them, "Follow me, and I will make you become fishers of men."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2322271190952096502010-11-21T09:25:04.983-05:002010-11-21T09:25:04.983-05:00Wait, guys! If you’ll read the corresponding passa...Wait, guys! If you’ll read the corresponding passage in the <i>authentic</i>, <i>unredacted</i> version, you might not so haughtily dismiss the historicity and theopneusty of this most excellent work. It’s got me thinking about hitting the road to home sweet Rome, myself. Here are just a few short paragraphs from the section Steve cited, but my passage is from the original.<br /><br /><i>... And the dog came unto Peter as he sat with the multitude that was come to see Peter's face, and the dog related what he had done unto Simon, saying, "Behold, have I not deposited many steaming hills of mine own filth upon the accursed lawn of that wicked reviler, even the magician called Simon? Yea, verily! O cursed indeed be that same Simon, but blessed indeed be the sandal soiled in treading down my stinking landmines! The heel which grindeth dung into Simon's foreyard fescue and jasmine shall surely not slip nor stumble. Lo, extra points for the flaming hotfoot which succeedeth!"<br /><br />And thus spake the dog unto the angel and apostle of the true God: "Peter, thy Romish cult wilt have a great contest with the enemy of Christ, that battle to be waged for the mantle of 'Deceiver & Blasphemer Numero Uno.' The great accuser wilt ultimately prevail over thy false church by a slim margin, and thy successors shall join forces with him as his servants; and many that have been deceived by him shalt thou turn unto the faith devised by him; wherefore thou shalt receive from God the reward of thy work, namely scarlet robes, gaudy bling, hordes of tender altar boys, and perdition everlasting."<br /><br />And when the dog had said this he fell down at the apostle Peter's feet and gave up the ghost, but this only after he had charged Peter, saying, "Arise, thou noble Petros! Take up thy municipally-mandated scooper, and according to city statute retrieve from Simon's forelawn as many of mine heaps as thou shouldst find. Yon lumps shall be unto thy deluded minions an holy relic for annual display. And in the fullness of time it shall come to pass that one among your purple sons shall commission a painting by a skilled Etruscan. The canvass shall be a sheet of linen, the pigment my sacred dung. The finished masterpiece shall be called 'Shroud of Turin,' and no scheme shall ever put more gold into thy church’s coffers than this one, excepting indulgences and the Mafia. Amen."</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55442717690911365082010-11-20T21:34:36.013-05:002010-11-20T21:34:36.013-05:00Steve said:
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I guess the crucial question for S...Steve said:<br />---<br />I guess the crucial question for Scott is whether or not the dog was speaking ex cathedra.<br />---<br /><br />If it was, then we've finally got PROOF of who the first pope was!Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47250570214654125472010-11-20T21:01:38.194-05:002010-11-20T21:01:38.194-05:00NATAMLLC SAID:
"Scott, are you serious? Do y...NATAMLLC SAID:<br /><br />"Scott, are you serious? Do you actually hold as primary source evidence information from the apocryphal Acts of Peter and believe the dog told Peter that?"<br /><br />I guess the crucial question for Scott is whether or not the dog was speaking ex cathedra.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1337677414580379802010-11-20T20:09:54.699-05:002010-11-20T20:09:54.699-05:00Steve Windsor said: "...and the bones found, ...Steve Windsor said: <b><i>"...and the bones found, according to the scientific evidence I provided earlier, supports the testimony of those Fathers."</i></b><br /><br />Yes, they're only found and produced every time Rome needs evidence.<br /><br />Just a reminder though; <a href="http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/bede-book3.html" rel="nofollow">the bones of blessed apostles, Peter and Paul, and of the holy martyrs, Laurentius, John, and Paul, and Gregory, and Pancratius in Rome</a> were sent to King Oswy of the Britons along with a letter making the priest Wighard a British Archbishop.<br /><br />If bones were found after A.D. 670, St. Peter's bones must miraculously continue to re-appear in Rome as needed ( I conjecture because Britain is too cold for them)<br /><br />If you accept this, isn't this further evidence of the truth of the mother Church since every time bones appear in Rome its a miracle?ἐκκλησίαhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01011648681141436328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5491001829275411322010-11-20T19:45:16.306-05:002010-11-20T19:45:16.306-05:00Did I tell you the one about the talking parrot?
...Did I tell you the one about the talking parrot?<br /><br />Yes, and I obeyed him or her??<br /><br />I was a little impressed with Scott until now.<br /><br />Now, are you sure of these facts that Windsor uses as his primary source?<br /><br />Wow, I guess I am just very naive because I am finding it quite difficult to comprehend that he would use some secondary sources to support such primary sources as the apocryphal Acts of Peter to make his case.<br /><br />Is it a fact that modern science has living relatives of Peter so as to have the DNA from bones purported to be from him, the Apostle Peter, so as to corroborate by modern means the testimony that Peter was indeed crucified in Rome, upside down? <br /><br />Scott, are you serious? Do you actually hold as primary source evidence information from the apocryphal Acts of Peter and believe the dog told Peter that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10860583659811358122010-11-20T17:59:34.645-05:002010-11-20T17:59:34.645-05:00For the believing Roman Catholic, I'm sure it&...For the believing Roman Catholic, I'm sure it's fine.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-6877688235943684062010-11-20T15:25:38.214-05:002010-11-20T15:25:38.214-05:00You mean you don't think it preserves accurate...You mean you don't think it preserves accurate memories of the talking dog, the talking baby, the resurrected dried fish, and Simon Magus flying through the air?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-72112560818820756822010-11-20T13:34:44.803-05:002010-11-20T13:34:44.803-05:00Eusebius notes, "Writings published by hereti...Eusebius notes, "Writings published by heretics under the names of the apostles, such as the Gospels of Peter, Thomas, Mathhias, and others, or the Acts of Andrew, John, and other apostles [including the Acts of Peter] have never been cited by any in the succession of church writers. The type of phraseology used contrasts with apostolic style, and the opinions and thrusts of their contents are so dissonant from true orthodoxy that they show themselves to be forgeries of heretics. Accordingly, they ought not be reckoned even among the spurious books but discarded as impious and absurd." (3;25)<br /><br />Daniel William O'Connor ("Peter in Rome" New York and London: Columbia University Press, 1969) lists "The Acts of Peter" among "The Apocryphal Literature" on Peter, "without exception, too untrustworthy and too late to offer any information which might be considered as reliable and independent." <br /><br />The best estimate of its date of origin is about 180-190, and there is a very good possibility that it is Gnostic in origin.John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.com