tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6530292314714364153..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Neal on TCDRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-91315139648289768602010-07-23T11:13:53.785-04:002010-07-23T11:13:53.785-04:00Morrison,
John Loftus has always had this
dream ...Morrison,<br /><br />John Loftus has always had this <br />dream to be the one that irrefutably proves that Christianity is a delusion. To deliver the death blow as it were. He always makes comments like, "Just wait until the revised edition of my book comes out." ad nauseaum. I think he rather fancies himself as an atheist messiah and he's desparately trying to cling to eternity in the sense that he leaves some sort of enduring legacy. <br /><br />It must be exceptionally disappointing when supposed 'hacks' pick apart his and his crew's arguments with apparent ease. <br /><br />As John Mayer says, "Some of us were hardly even here. The rest of us were born to disappear." I wonder what it is that is making him figt so hard against this tenet of his worldview?Wamalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00429423371551631602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51928437063470113702010-07-22T18:46:48.233-04:002010-07-22T18:46:48.233-04:00John Loftus appears to be typical of what passes f...John Loftus appears to be typical of what passes for debate on the secular/liberal/leftist side--pontificate and if challenged resort to <i>ad hominum</i> attack. <br /><br />It is a very good thing you are doing with the challenge to such arrogance. People such as Loftus and his crew never consider that they might be challenged effectively. They spend their time browbeating the poor, ill-educated students that pass for high school graduates these days. <br /><br />I am interested in what happens when all the Iraq veterans hit colleges on GI Bill.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80641184164929444122010-07-22T17:29:12.192-04:002010-07-22T17:29:12.192-04:00I have it on the authority of a good contact in In...I have it on the authority of a good contact in Indiana that John is ENRAGED by TID.<br /><br />He has been totally blindsided, and realizes he is going to be tied down fighting it or be seen as abandoning the field.<br /><br />Expect DESPERATE COUNTERATTACKS and wild claims by him and his minions!Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06137890891223067672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-69186685748352142302010-07-22T16:04:33.559-04:002010-07-22T16:04:33.559-04:00I forgot to point out that Rev. 18:13 might not be...I forgot to point out that Rev. 18:13 might not be referring to literal earthly physical slavery, but spiritual slavery depending on how one identifies "Babylon". <br /><br />The other things mentioned (e.g. gold, silver, jewels, pearls) might not be literal physical objects either. They too might refer to spiritual extravagance. Just as Jesus' admonition earlier in the book to buy gold, and eyesalve in Rev. 3:18 isn't literal.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-41391145767366196582010-07-22T15:48:03.433-04:002010-07-22T15:48:03.433-04:00I think "The Infidel Delusion" is a real...I think "The Infidel Delusion" is a really needed book. Maybe I can help make it a bit better. Here are some ***possible*** problems or typos/errata I *think* I've found in version 1.0 of TID.<br /><br /><br />page 10<br />"They fail to realize that the battle is going on down in the valley below them and their sword is made of tinfoil."<br /><br />Might it be better phrased as, "their swords are made of tinfoil."?<br /><br />****<br /><br />page 13<br />"There has been some pluralizing and secularizing of Western cultures in modern times, but there‘s still been, and is, a large Christian influence." <br /><br />Possible typo? Maybe not.<br /><br />****<br /><br />page 54<br />"―I believe in Christianity like I believe in the sun. Not only because I see it, but because of it I see everything else.‖" <br /><br />Possible typo? There are online versions of the quotation where instead of the word "of", the word "by" is there.<br /><br />****<br /><br /><br />On page 93 Steve quotes Wenham (with footnote # 84).<br />It seems to me that a non-Christian might point out that the OT laws were supposed to be GOD'S laws, not men's. I suppose we could say that there were concessions on God's part (e.g. divorce etc.). Nevertheless, that quotation from Wenham doesn't seem to fit. Or I'm just not getting the point Steve is making.<br /><br />****<br /><br /><br />page 65<br />"While Babinks cites Revelation 7:1 as a reference to a flat earth (n. 57 on 144)"<br /><br />Babinski's name is misspelled, and the reference should be Rev. 1:7<br /><br />****<br /><br />page 99<br />"ii) However, the NT does condemn the slave trade (cf. Rev 18:13)."<br /><br />Does that passage really condemn slavery? What seems to be condemned there is the extravagance of "Babylon". Since there's nothing inherently immoral about the selling/trading/purchasing of the other merchandise listed.<br /><br />"11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo anymore,<br />12 cargo of gold, silver, jewels, pearls, fine linen, purple cloth, silk, scarlet cloth, all kinds of scented wood, all kinds of articles of ivory, all kinds of articles of costly wood, bronze, iron and marble,<br />13 cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, frankincense, wine, oil, fine flour, wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and slaves, that is, human souls."-Rev. 18:11-13<br /><br />Though, I do agree with the other things Steve wrote concerning slavery.<br /><br /><br />I've finished half of the book and need to re-read first 60 pages because I didn't jot down all the places where I think there might have been problems/typos.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24462781539147355072010-07-22T14:44:17.626-04:002010-07-22T14:44:17.626-04:00"Surely whether Christianity is beneficial to..."Surely whether Christianity is beneficial to society bears some relationship to whether it’s true. I mean, you really wouldn’t want to hold to something as true from a perfectly good God if it wasn’t beneficial to society, or would you?"<br /><br />This is ironic since Christianity sure gives some atheists something to live for. Though I guess this might push us back to benefits/pragmatic question.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410144337505012175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-47960419782377117202010-07-22T14:23:29.362-04:002010-07-22T14:23:29.362-04:00"In areas where it’s obvious we should expect..."In areas where it’s obvious we should expect a perfectly good God to communicate his will better.."<br /><br />The Bible is pretty good communicating from God. And not only did He sovereign-ly give us His Word, which is truth, He sent us One back from the dead to testify for the authenticity of the Holy Writ, Jesus our Messiah and Lord.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-68208164569234443672010-07-22T14:14:14.196-04:002010-07-22T14:14:14.196-04:00Good job, Neal.Good job, Neal.Mike Westfallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06944727980772754938noreply@blogger.com