tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post6478759285226405281..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: “Pope Francis” on “The Joy of Sex”Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26338318548871389992016-04-08T18:38:47.519-04:002016-04-08T18:38:47.519-04:00He may not want to do that, but that seems to be w...He may not want to do that, but that seems to be what he is doing: evolution, relaxed sexual and marital norms, soft-pedaling distinctives...everything the libs did. I can only wish him much success.Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-33658793045399326382016-04-08T17:20:47.505-04:002016-04-08T17:20:47.505-04:00Vincent, I'm pretty sure you're right abou...Vincent, I'm pretty sure you're right about the dangers -- I cringe when I see or hear of conservative Protestants who speak well of him -- but I'm sure he does not want to "transform Rome into a liberal mainstream protestant denomination". That's fairly simplistic. Although he is clearly influenced by a variety of liberal sources, I think he's "flying by his own lights", and he genuinely thinks he is improving things. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-4631908137013519232016-04-08T17:16:28.470-04:002016-04-08T17:16:28.470-04:00Its pretty simple to sum up Francis. He is a liber...Its pretty simple to sum up Francis. He is a liberal jesuit who wants to transform Rome into a liberal mainstream protestant denomination. Thats his goal and mission. What is so troubeling is that what Francis says and does affects all of Christianity, especially sinces he dialogues with many evangelicals and EO's all the time, and many are warming up to him and like him. It would be a fatal mistake to be indifferent to Francis and treat him as he is a threat only to those conservatives within the Roman communion. Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17686738325565738419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28273310582309014692016-04-08T16:48:51.118-04:002016-04-08T16:48:51.118-04:00Kirk, I honestly believe that Bergoglio drinks (an...Kirk, I honestly believe that Bergoglio drinks (and believes) his own Kool Aid. It may be that he sees that one big flow out of RCism is the tide of divorced-and-remarried, and he's trying to address that very big problem. I believe he showed his hand in one of those off-the-cuff Scalfari interviews: <br /><br /><i>The Council Fathers knew that being open to modern culture meant religious ecumenism and dialogue with non-believers. But afterwards very little was done in that direction. I have the humility and ambition to want to do something.<br /><br />… providence has placed me at the head of the Church and the Diocese of Peter. I will do what I can to fulfill the mandate that has been entrusted to me.<br /><br />I am the Bishop of Rome and Pope of the Catholic world. The first thing I decided was to appoint a group of eight cardinals to be my advisers. Not courtiers but wise people who share my own feelings. This is the beginning of a Church with an organization that is not just top-down but also horizontal. When Cardinal Martini talked about focusing on the councils and synods he knew how long and difficult it would be to go in that direction. Gently, but firmly and tenaciously.</i><br /><br />http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2013/10/pope-francis-is-cleaning-house.html John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-947885792741537002016-04-08T13:00:52.848-04:002016-04-08T13:00:52.848-04:00looking forward to your thought as always.looking forward to your thought as always.Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-6881996871586247272016-04-08T12:34:29.329-04:002016-04-08T12:34:29.329-04:00Hey Kirk, I'm out running around right now. Le...Hey Kirk, I'm out running around right now. Let me give some thought to your question and get back to you here. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-11884940255284988372016-04-08T12:05:45.842-04:002016-04-08T12:05:45.842-04:00Great commentary on weasel words heralding a anoth...Great commentary on weasel words heralding a another blow to Rome's claim of being changeless. Given your history there, what do you see as Bergie's main motive: increasing market share (greater number of libs in than conservatives out), influence, believing his own kaka de toro?Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.com