tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post5679917383493917728..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Can God lie?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10072817159459808712019-03-01T18:18:34.451-05:002019-03-01T18:18:34.451-05:00Seems to me that what makes lying a lie is not the...Seems to me that what makes lying a lie is not the mode of deception but the intent deceiver. A deliberately deceptive communication (be it verbal or nonverbal). That's the principle. <br /><br />And that's essential to Gen 22, where, for the ordeal to serve as a test of faith, Abraham must be convinced that God requires him to carry through with the command.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-53739431482170271082019-03-01T17:09:07.065-05:002019-03-01T17:09:07.065-05:00Yes, and my response was addressing point #3. I d...Yes, and my response was addressing point #3. I don't think it is a hair-splitting distinction. It seems built-in to human language. If so, then it wouldn't be an imposition onto the biblical writers. We're just doing good systematic theology to draw out those distinctions.David Gadboishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18375984671877016361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-88865196007166129512019-03-01T15:45:17.291-05:002019-03-01T15:45:17.291-05:00I anticipated that objection in my post. I anticipated that objection in my post. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-49748714736379318782019-03-01T15:26:50.397-05:002019-03-01T15:26:50.397-05:00I think you are dismissing the distinction between...I think you are dismissing the distinction between deception and lying too quickly. It seems intuitive to me, as a non-philosopher. "Go sacrifice your son" is neither a true nor false sentence. It isn't saying anything untrue about the state of things. Nor is it promissory. It is an imperative.<br /><br />I don't know what the original audience would have made of it. They might not have had the categories to understand a lot of things that we can (especially regarding Triadology and Christology). But these distinctions are built into the grammar of all languages (as far as I know), and we recognize and use the different sentence forms (declarative, imperative, and interrogative).David Gadboishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18375984671877016361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27742597359263196402019-03-01T02:11:50.387-05:002019-03-01T02:11:50.387-05:00I really appreciate this post.
We should always l...I really appreciate this post.<br /><br />We should always limit ourselves to what Scripture says about God and not try to conform to abstractions based on some vague idea of a perfect being. Christianity is a revealed religion, after all.<br /><br />The thing that’s always given me pause when I thought along these lines is not so much epistemology in itself as it is being able to answer the question “how then do you not know the Scriptures and the Christians faith itself are not God’s deceptive means to a different ultimate end?”<br /><br />But I guess that too must also terminate in Scripture and it’s positive teaching of God’s covenantal loyalty and truthfulness.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15128440109055839127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80672645191145780722019-02-28T22:18:10.379-05:002019-02-28T22:18:10.379-05:00In terms of the biblical data, no, because divine ...In terms of the biblical data, no, because divine deception is restricted to deceiving the wicked (in some cases) and temporary but benevolent examples in cases like the binding of Isaac. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12738090115735701722019-02-28T21:39:50.640-05:002019-02-28T21:39:50.640-05:00As a related topic, if we allow God to be deceptiv...As a related topic, if we allow God to be deceptive in some things, then there exists an all-powerful deceiver, at least in some areas. Doesn't that lead to potential deep uncertainty in our general epistemology?MetaSkipperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12043083717396077117noreply@blogger.com