tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post5274299411178682440..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The One True CultRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-91671937981703154772016-03-05T07:55:30.246-05:002016-03-05T07:55:30.246-05:00Sean Tracey -- for example:
http://rorate-caeli.b...Sean Tracey -- for example:<br /><br />http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/03/same-sex-civil-unions-in-italy.html<br /><br /><i>The approval of homosexual pseudo-marriage in the Senate on February 25th 2016, with 173 in favor, 71 against and 76 abstentions is the last stage in the process of dissolution of Italian society which began with the introduction of divorce (1970), then the legalization of abortion (1978) and has as its next, imminent step, the legalization of euthanasia. With that in mind, we understand the exaltation of the secular press: “In the long and tortuous history of sexual liberation in Italy – writes Francesco Merlo in “La Repubblica”, February 26th – this law has the same epochal importance as the law on divorce and the law that regulates abortion”.<br /><br />What these three events have in common is an act of betrayal committed by men in Catholic government. Divorce passed under a centre-left government presided over by the Christian Democrat, Emilio Colombo. Abortion was passed by a Christian Democrat government, presided over by Giulio Andreotti. The Christian Democrats were brought down, yet the principal figures responsible for this new law, Prime Minister, Matteo Renzi and the Minister for Internal Affairs, Angelino Alfano depict themselves as practicing Catholics just like Colombo and Andreotti.</i><br /><br />What these things have in common is the tacit, if not the explicit approval of "Good Pope Francis", as Rorate also notes: "Pope Francis doesn't get involved in Italian politics. So, as the pope hid inside the Vatican, the Italian Senate passed a homosexual 'civil union' bill, all but ensuring it becomes law."<br /><br />Now, what can this pope's actions indicate, other than "development" in the permissibility of all of these very clear Roman Catholic distinctives? After all, we protestants, who don't have the papacy, also don't have "a principled means" to determine the hard edges between "divine revelation" and mere human opinion.<br /><br />Pope Francis is moving in very definite directions, and he himself has been "the mouthpiece" for these things.<br /><br />When it comes to "defending my faith", I do that with gentleness and respect. When it comes to watching how the this pope, this "visible head", is shooting the Roman Catholic Church in the foot, well, then, laughter is an appropriate response. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44095714932229809602016-03-05T07:30:37.671-05:002016-03-05T07:30:37.671-05:00It is much more difficult to make reasoned argueme...It is much more difficult to make reasoned arguements supported by evidence than to spout pedantic diatribes. "but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect" How does making false and unsubstantiated claims lead one further to truth or draw to Christ through love those you intend to debase? If your intent is self satisfactory slander, you succeed, if truth, you are keft wanting.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05156016532669395692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-35014064395340709282016-03-05T03:46:27.269-05:002016-03-05T03:46:27.269-05:00Sean Tracey, you obviously don't understand th...Sean Tracey, you obviously don't understand the difference between my "making an argument" and my "laughing at you". Your Good Pope Francis is himself allowing himself to be THE mouthpiece for the secular media. As Vincent has outlined below, the official distinction between dogma and discipline is being ignored by many in the Roman "Church" who have far greater official rank than you have. You need to be protesting at them, not at me. And by the way, you have provided the perfect illustration here of Steve's OP. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82769815709961838912016-03-04T23:18:27.494-05:002016-03-04T23:18:27.494-05:00The number of Catholics defending Francis has drop...The number of Catholics defending Francis has dropped radically. Very few are still defending him at this stage. Many Catholics want him to resign or be deposed for the scandal he is causing. Its only Jimmy Akin and ETWN/ Catholic Answers crowd that are still playing make believe with Francis. Sites like the remnant and onepeterfive are calling them out for refusing to call a spade a spade when it comes to Francis. When it comes to private interpretion one can believe almost anything these days and still remain a RC in good standing. You can be a universalist like Rahner, an Arian that denies the trinity like Kung, or you can support gay marriage or abortion and Rome will still not get rid off you. Orthodoxy is hardly enforced in Rome these days. Look at all the liberals in Boston College that still remain good RCs. The concept of heresy or orthodoxy has become meaningless in the current post-Vatican II church. Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17686738325565738419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20241234998024726422016-03-04T21:06:24.399-05:002016-03-04T21:06:24.399-05:00Christ and the Apostles didn't condemn their &...Christ and the Apostles didn't condemn their "private interpretation," but in fact putting their man-made tradition on par with divine revelation (Matthew 15:3, Mark 7:9).Led By The Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10430053949161905078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25579474439623601162016-03-04T20:44:22.618-05:002016-03-04T20:44:22.618-05:00John,
You are arguing against a straw man. Please...John,<br /><br />You are arguing against a straw man. Please provide evidence for your claims: "homosexual marriage is approved, there ARE exceptions to the "no exceptions" rule on birth control, divorced and remarried people will be re-admitted to communion". Beware becoming a mouthpiece for the secular media. Also, there are now and have been for many centuries married Catholic priests. The Eastern Rite Catholic Churches and Anglican Ordinariate allow such practice. Please better appreciate the distinction between dogma and discipline before making such fallacious claims. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05156016532669395692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31190108791329509882016-03-04T20:19:36.627-05:002016-03-04T20:19:36.627-05:00Cletus, if you wish to retain the privilege to lea...Cletus, if you wish to retain the privilege to leave comments at Tblog, don't repeat stale arguments from the Beggars All thread that I refuted in detail. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56264221840365469402016-03-04T17:14:48.680-05:002016-03-04T17:14:48.680-05:00We are entering the phase of "development&quo...We are entering the phase of "development" now when homosexual marriage is approved, there ARE exceptions to the "no exceptions" rule on birth control, divorced and remarried people will be re-admitted to communion, "the Church" will soon be ordaining married men -- all with papal approval. Exciting times! Great to have such a front-row view of how "development" actually works. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44849673483950696132016-03-04T15:15:12.990-05:002016-03-04T15:15:12.990-05:00Led,
That's no more silly than Christ and the...Led,<br /><br />That's no more silly than Christ and the Apostles condemning private judgment/interpretation of OT scriptures by Jews and non-believers that ran counter to their teaching. RCC sets parameters and boundaries via its dogmatic definitions; if all private interpretation was outlawed then there could never be doctrinal development and theological/spiritual discussion and literature.Cletus Van Dammehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13749634619890462132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26042843022095765372016-03-04T15:02:54.872-05:002016-03-04T15:02:54.872-05:00This post is spot-on. Another way you see this is ...This post is spot-on. Another way you see this is when it comes to private interpretation. The Council of Trent, Vatican I, and even Vatican II forbid the use of private interpretation. RC apologists will counter that they <b>can</b> use private interpretation so long as it doesn't lead to interpretations that are counter to RC teaching. But this is silly - it's not really private interpretation if you're only allowed to come to magisterial conclusions.Led By The Shepherdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10430053949161905078noreply@blogger.com