tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post5195982549078685077..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: ConsistencyRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44095608689018619652011-03-29T09:51:56.645-04:002011-03-29T09:51:56.645-04:00Peter,
I understand. I confess to deficiencies in...Peter,<br /><br />I understand. I confess to deficiencies in my troll lore.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30384536996410902642011-03-29T02:18:38.786-04:002011-03-29T02:18:38.786-04:00Pilgrim,
It was an intentionally ambiguous refere...Pilgrim,<br /><br />It was an intentionally ambiguous reference to Dave Armstrong being a troll, similar to fairy tales told to kids. <br /><br />Was I aware someone could make that assumption? Of course. But if the Catholic Church didn't have that problem to contend with, it would have been a perfectly innocent comment, wouldn't it?<br /><br />If that's the first place you went to when you read it...well, that says more about the Catholic Church's reputation than I did.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74822777749484396662011-03-28T17:52:42.136-04:002011-03-28T17:52:42.136-04:00I'm not going to argue with you, Peter, but I&...I'm not going to argue with you, Peter, but I'm also not an idiot. I think it's disingenuous to expect people here to think that "your priest's <i>fun time</i>" in reference to "little kids" wasn't a euphemism for a very specific known atrocity within the Roman Catholic church.<br /><br />Be that as it may, I'm glad you are concerned for the souls of little children, however ineloquently stated. Perhaps now we can all agree to bring this miserable mess to some kind of conclusion.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27238719330561653302011-03-28T16:58:53.565-04:002011-03-28T16:58:53.565-04:00BTW, you made the assumption that it was mollestat...BTW, you made the assumption that it was mollestation I was referring to, not me.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13686880245881968092011-03-28T16:58:24.767-04:002011-03-28T16:58:24.767-04:00I'm more concerned with their souls.I'm more concerned with their souls.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31589046003677332112011-03-28T15:52:44.297-04:002011-03-28T15:52:44.297-04:00Gads Peter! Come on now! We really need to take a ...Gads Peter! Come on now! We really need to take a breath and ask if it's God-glorifying to liken Catholic apologists to pimps for their wayward priests. This conversation is a stink in His nostrils as it is, but way over the line there, bro, in my view.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-25488626839458048382011-03-28T13:35:14.546-04:002011-03-28T13:35:14.546-04:00No, Dave. You're a troll because you're t...No, Dave. You're a troll because you're trying to divert attention on to me. It's pretty obvious what you're doing.<br /><br />Now go back under your bridge and get some more little kids for your priest's fun time.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-29219302647471139302011-03-28T13:00:20.855-04:002011-03-28T13:00:20.855-04:00I must say it is a new (and deliciously ridiculous...I must say it is a new (and deliciously ridiculous) low for you to define me as a troll when I was the subject of the post under which this combox exists, and in fact was asked a question in the post, that I carefully answered, even to the author's satisfaction. But in your fertile brain (against all reason and precedent), that is being a "troll." <br /><br />Then if I dare to respond to your ceaseless insults, it is yet more proof that I am a "troll."<br /><br />The "bitter and arrogant ass" schtick doesn't reflect well on you. It won't make you any happier or give you peace or joy or advance your position in the kingdom or with our Lord, to detest and despise me. Life is too short for that.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57611900908229709472011-03-28T10:10:47.563-04:002011-03-28T10:10:47.563-04:00I'm glad to see you left third grade, Dave. N...I'm glad to see you left third grade, Dave. Now go back to your own playground, troll.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-59899095942200390542011-03-27T23:33:12.116-04:002011-03-27T23:33:12.116-04:00And I note again that you are an imbecile without ...And I note again that you are an imbecile without a clue what you are talking about. Ignorance is bliss, though, ain't it?Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-42850714788893667532011-03-27T22:28:50.905-04:002011-03-27T22:28:50.905-04:00I note that once again Dave cannot leave the "...I note that once again Dave cannot leave the "anti-Catholics" alone, despite his numerous claims to the contrary. It's really no shock that he and Lumpkins get along so well.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-24430039686829489122011-03-27T20:53:30.625-04:002011-03-27T20:53:30.625-04:00All I can do is laugh.
Well, jollity and merrimen...<i>All I can do is laugh</i>.<br /><br />Well, jollity and merriment are good things, so enjoy yourself. I'm shaking and scratching my head at your inexplicable logic over here. But I've come to expect this from anti-Catholics, so it is really no surprise. Still a wonder to behold, though.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-34979903947161744132011-03-27T18:52:22.495-04:002011-03-27T18:52:22.495-04:00"Simply put, what is required is that certain..."Simply put, what is required is that certain peer-reviewed standards have been met / fufilled."<br /><br />Peer review unfortunately suffers from the Matthew effect; its benefits are limited.Mike Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17608757096556069037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-40146999161867157622011-03-27T17:19:01.360-04:002011-03-27T17:19:01.360-04:00Dave, if you take my words and apply them to somet...Dave, if you take my words and apply them to something I was not responding to and say your application is still valid, you have an "interesting" way with words. All I can do is laugh.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410144337505012175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5571950163028546142011-03-27T16:17:41.297-04:002011-03-27T16:17:41.297-04:00Let's try again, minus the link:
Using the GG...Let's try again, minus the link:<br /><br />Using the GGBTS listing of adjunct faculty and Course Syllabi (by Professor), I have listed a comparison of listed adjunct faculty who are not teaching a class in the present semester, and when they last taught a course, in comparison to Bishop "Dr." White.<br /><br /> James White (not listed: last course taught: January 13-15, 2010):<br /><br />[list of 30 adjunct faculty with dates of the last course taught by them]<br /><br />Grand totals: 30 faculty were listed who are not teaching at GGBTS this semester; 16 of the 30 last taught a course prior to the date that White did (while one additional person has no listed courses at all); yet they are among the roster of adjunct faculty, along with the other 14, while White is not. Why? Is it not reasonable, then, to safely assume that White is no longer a member of the adjunct faculty of GGBTS? One would think so. Why, then, does White keep asserting that he is?<br /><br />His bio sheet for his publisher, Bethany House, states that he is "an adjunct professor with Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary." His bio sheet for his diploma mill alma mater, Columbia Evangelical Seminary asserts that "White, an ordained Baptist minister, is Adjunct Professor teaching New Testament Greek, Systematic Theology, Christology, and Hebrew for Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary at their Arizona Campus." The blurb for ReformedCast: episode #26: "The Importance of Apologetics (Pt. 1), 3-21-11, states that "White . . . teaches Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary."<br /><br />But according to the GGBTS syllabi, White taught about apologetics (secularism, atheism, and Islam) in Summer 2009, and Islam in Spring 2008. In order to date courses taught on these other mentioned subjects, we have to consult White's own bio page at his website, "aomin". There we learn that he hasn't taught anything with "Greek" in the title of the course since 2001 (hardly current). He hasn't taught systematic theology there since 2004. His last (and only course in Christology was way back in the previous century and millennium: 1997. And for Hebrew, we have to go back to 2000.<br /><br />I guess 7-14 years ago is considered "present tense" and "current" by the good folks at Columbia Evangelical Seminary and the ReformedCast. White, so we are told, is "teaching" these things now. We all regard time in different fashions, I reckon. Einstein's relativity and what-not . . . "Current" is in the eye of the beholder? In James White's thought-world, and that of his rabid followers, apparently this is the case. I guess I "currently" am not the father of a daughter, since my only daughter was born in 2001. But since 2000 and even 1997 are present now, I am simultaneously her father and not at the same time.<br /><br />Unfortunately for White, GGBTS doesn't play these word games. They don't have him listed as adjunct faculty. He'll have to accept that cold, hard, cruel fact sooner or later.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50649498336234233522011-03-27T15:51:10.404-04:002011-03-27T15:51:10.404-04:00The exact statement Pike made was: "Too bad f...The exact statement Pike made was: "Too bad for Dave I can post my comments in a forum that receives far more than double the hits per day he gets." That was on 9-23-10. So, curious, I went and compared Site Meter stats and my site was at 899 while this one was 852. Today, this one beats me out, with 1200-something to my 900, but it is still not "far more than double the hits" I get.<br /><br />Note also that in the earlier incident Pike was whining about how I supposedly deleted his comments on my site. Of course, I had done no such thing: it was an instance of Blogger Spammer filter. As soon as I found out I was happy to restore them. But we still have no word here if the filter did this or whether my comment was deleted because it disagreed too much with the Big Cheeses here.<br /><br />It was great fun, tho, to watch Peter make an absolute fool of himself twice in two days. :-)Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-48109213369792347282011-03-27T15:44:00.972-04:002011-03-27T15:44:00.972-04:00Hi Mike:
you say, "What is interesting about...Hi Mike:<br /><br />you say, "What is interesting about this is the perception that accredited institutions require more..."<br /><br />Simply put, what is required is that certain peer-reviewed standards have been met / fufilled. Whether CES requires more is not pertinent to what is required in order to obtain an accredited, and by default, a recognized degree. Its apples an oranges.<br /><br />"... CES probably requires more work than accredited institutions."<br /><br />That may or may not be true. From what I can tell, however, the work required for JW's degree at CES was substantially less than what is typically required from other phd candidates pursuing acrredited degrees (unless theology degrees are just plain thin). <br /><br />"Many self-learners prove themselves far more apt than degreed individuals."<br /><br />I think we can all agree on that. IT is an example that comes to mind. <br /><br />That's it for me, folks. Thanks for the courteous exchanges.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12851410082197817017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-31929637674447958432011-03-27T15:42:27.866-04:002011-03-27T15:42:27.866-04:00I would never delete yours, Peter, because they ar...I would never delete yours, Peter, because they are so entertaining, like when you claimed a few months ago that this site got way way more hits than mine. LOLDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-853307746309856462011-03-27T15:40:40.630-04:002011-03-27T15:40:40.630-04:00Considering that Dave Armstrong has deleted about ...Considering that Dave Armstrong has deleted about 99% of the comments of his that have ever been deleted, I agree with his characterization that they are "malicious deletions."Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-33430445926443109962011-03-27T15:10:22.834-04:002011-03-27T15:10:22.834-04:00Typo corrected:
My previous comment mentioning my...Typo corrected:<br /><br />My previous comment mentioning my latest paper about the White controversy is either the victim of the Blogger Spam filter or malicious deletions that occur on this site with some regularity where I am concerned. It did contain one link to my paper. That may be the culprit.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-39034333589731135652011-03-27T15:07:55.859-04:002011-03-27T15:07:55.859-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5337225994227148172011-03-27T15:05:32.978-04:002011-03-27T15:05:32.978-04:00Hi Mark,
So please read your own reply of "w...Hi Mark,<br /><br /><i>So please read your own reply of "who said this?" because I was not "saying that" toward what you referenced. Please try to keep me in context.</i><br /><br />My replies remain valid. You made some points; I replied to them. Lumpkins and myself are the two main critics researching this matter at present. I myself was the subject of the post under which this discussion is occurring. So it is relevant for me to say that I (as one of the main critics) have not claimed what you have said White critics have claimed; nor, to my knowledge, has Peter Lumpkins.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57606725295533366442011-03-27T13:28:19.958-04:002011-03-27T13:28:19.958-04:00Well Dave, had I been addressing your points I wou...Well Dave, had I been addressing your points I would have mentioned your name. I was, instead, replying to Matt and expanding my thought to some more general issues concerning accreditation, qualifications, etc.<br /><br />So please read your own reply of "who said this?" because I was not "saying that" toward what you referenced. Please try to keep me in context.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01410144337505012175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-61639207807341525692011-03-27T12:22:00.702-04:002011-03-27T12:22:00.702-04:00"He certainly has worked hard to earn some re..."He certainly has worked hard to earn some respectability in populous apologetics. However, until he earns his props, he will never be considered a "Dr." by anyone who has had to go through what is required by every accredited institution that grants doctoral degrees. "<br /><br />What is interesting about this is the perception that accredited institutions require more. I've had a lot of exposure, both direct and indirect, to accredited institutions.<br /><br />Simply put, CES probably requires more work than accredited institutions. My brother, while attending an accredited seminary, took a course with CES (which the accredited seminary accepted for credit!). Interestingly, the work in the CES course was much more intensive than at this institution.<br /><br />Incidentally, I have a degree from a secular university, and I am studying for an M.Div at a major theological seminary. My crowd is primarily white-collar. I have had hundreds of conversations about programs of study of every sort - that's the social strata in which I live. Comparisons of 'what they had to go through' are simply silly.<br /><br />Also, it should be noted that the quality of education fundamentally depends on the individual who learns. Many self-learners prove themselves far more apt than degreed individuals.Mike Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17608757096556069037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22981458947230207062011-03-27T02:38:58.967-04:002011-03-27T02:38:58.967-04:00Apparently, White has demonstrated his abilities t...<i>Apparently, White has demonstrated his abilities to those at GGBTS. His relationship with the school and students have always been good.</i><br /><br />Great. This has nothing whatever to do with Lumpkins' critique or my own.<br /><br /><i>While White's doctorate may be unaccredited it does not mean he did not do any work for them.</i><br /><br />No one is saying that, either. What we are saying is that, while he did work and toiled away, this does not make x=y. What he did is simply not anywhere near the amount of work or the rigorous standard entailed in legitimate doctorates. He has no basis for calling himself "Dr." I know this probably pains his ego tremendously, but life is tough. We can't make up our own definitions of things. It doesn't work that way.<br /><br /><i>Whatever one thinks of the quality of White's work, he did not just buy a degree.</i><br /><br />Who said this? I'd like to see a quote if you think Lumpkins did. I haven't said it. On the other hand he did register at a diploma mill and jumped through the necessary hoops to get the bogus degree.Dave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.com