tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post48272698114753366..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: "Extrabiblical revelation"Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-64823068687594955902013-08-10T18:18:31.374-04:002013-08-10T18:18:31.374-04:00I have to say that continuationists differ on the ...I have to say that continuationists differ on the nature of OT and NT prophecies. But a common thread in most <i>charismatic</i> understandings is that OT prophecies by a prophet like Jeremiah who heard directly from God and spoke directly for God publicly to the entire nation (even the world) were either right or wrong. If they were wrong, then they were false prophets deserving of stoning. That's unlike the kind of prophecy in the New Testament where Paul (in 1 Cor. 14:29-33) admonishes 2 or 3 prophets to prophesy one by one with the others judging the prophesies of each. That kind of judging wasn't done in the OT. Or at least for OT prophets like Jeremiah and Isaiah. <br /><br />A similar situation is in 1 Thess. 5:19-21 where Paul commanded all prophecies to be tested and whatever was good to be held on to. Apparently, some of the past prophecies given in Thessalonica weren't "good" and it lead to some Christians there to despise prophecy and prophesying. That's why Paul had to say in verse 20 "Do not despise prophecies." <br /><br />Paul also wrote in Rom. 12:6, " Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: <b>if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith</b>." Evidently, the degree of benefit (maybe even of accuracy) of a prophecy was dependent on the degree of faith or experience a person with the gift of (New Testament) prophecy had.<br /><br />This proportionality might also be what Peter was alluding to when he wrote, "11 If anyone speaks, let him <b>speak as the oracles of God</b>. If anyone ministers, let him do it <b>as with the ability which God supplies</b>..." (1 Pet. 4:11). <br /><br />Apparently, people grew in their proficiency in the exercise of spiritual gifts. If that's true for one gift, that might be true for other gifts like the word of knowledge, gifts of healing, gift of faith etc. That's 4 NT passages in all that suggest that NT prophecies given with the NT gift of prophecy didn't have the same kind of authority as OT prophecies. While Steve might disagree with my position, he did make a good point <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2013/08/primary-and-secondary-sources.html" rel="nofollow">in another blog</a>. He wrote, "Luke treats Agabus as a genuine prophet, yet Paul feels free to disregard his advice." If Agabus as a prophet like Jeremiah, then Paul had no business disregarding Agabus' advice. It seems to me that Paul accepted the prophecy as accurate, but disagreed with Agabus' interpretation and application.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-10580775846500887732013-08-10T17:19:16.762-04:002013-08-10T17:19:16.762-04:00Pentecostal theology naturally produces charlatans...<i>Pentecostal theology naturally produces charlatans by permitting extra biblical revelation and the prosperity doctrine in conjunction with each other.</i><br /><br />Roger Sapp's materials (books and A/V) on finances are the most Biblically balanced I've personally read. They talk about things like contentment, sacrificial giving, exposing abuses in tithing, acknowledging that (ultimately) we own nothing and God owns all things and we are only God's stewards etc. Interestingly, <a href="http://tithing.christian-things.com/howmuch.html" rel="nofollow">Sapp's view on tithing</a> is that it isn't required under the New Covenant. He even denounces the abuses in the modern practice of tithing. One can question his exegesis, but he's one example of a charismatic who's not teaching people a system of giving in order to line his own pockets. When he speak at a church there is no fee nor a minimum offering. He lives by the principle "freely you have received, freely give" (Matt. 10:8b). The fact is that there are many charismatics who are living as stewards of God's blessings rather than setting up their own private kingdoms. Since they aren't looking to become rich it's only natural that they won't be the ones who are always on TV manipulating people to give them money.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-52916136700093047962013-08-10T06:51:40.658-04:002013-08-10T06:51:40.658-04:00Here's another great example:
And God said, “...Here's another great example:<br /><br />And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. (Gen. 1:3)<br /><br />This one wasn't included in Scripture for thousands of years after it was spoken. There are many similar examples in Genesis; which is one of my favorite sources of extrabiblical revelation.Ex N1hilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05386655937760778985noreply@blogger.com