tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4689855680641702913..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Early Christian DiscernmentRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44371350452503317652007-08-08T03:33:00.000-04:002007-08-08T03:33:00.000-04:00Jon Curry said:"You could go back and try and figu...Jon Curry said:<BR/><BR/>"You could go back and try and figure out what my actual point is and try again if you like."<BR/><BR/>You only quoted some of the most negative comments of Celsus, and you quoted what Origen said about people who are ignorant when they first hear about Christianity. You didn't quote Celsus' acknowledgment that some Christians are more intelligent, you ended your first quote of Origen just before he said that everybody should pursue the intellectual life, and you didn't cite any of Origen's many comments about his own concern for evidence, Biblical commandments to be discerning, the requirement that church leaders be knowledgeable, the fact that people who are ignorant when they become Christians are encouraged to become more knowledgeable, the fact that many of the most intelligent of men become Christians, etc. If you only cite some of the most negative comments of Celsus and Origen, then paraphrase Origen as saying "who has the time to critically examine things", that's highly misleading. And, as I explained above, the sources I've cited (Richard Bauckham, Glenn Miller, etc.) address far more of the relevant evidence and address the Christians who lived prior to Celsus and Origen. You haven't shown a connection between the two passages you cited from Origen and your conclusion that Christians wouldn't have been suspicious of Pauline forgeries that arose more than sixty years after Paul died.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-61171509270457784812007-08-07T21:12:00.000-04:002007-08-07T21:12:00.000-04:00I think if I had argued that this comment proves t...I think if I had argued that this comment proves that <I>every</I> Christian was ignorant and unwilling to consider evidence, or that Origen doesn't look at evidence, or that Christians <I>never</I> appeal to evidence, I guess your comments would be relevant. Since none of these statements form any part of the point I'm making, I consider this to be another one of those long, non-responses that are so common from you, and I will expect you to point to this thread and say with indignation "Why won't you respond to my (so called) arguments" if this quote ever comes up again.<BR/><BR/>You could go back and try and figure out what my actual point is and try again if you like.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10530680372103907969noreply@blogger.com