tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post4438645356478903687..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The evangelical flotillaRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65278236519687752392016-04-01T03:03:42.524-04:002016-04-01T03:03:42.524-04:00Kirk -- re. Bergie's goal -- these two article...Kirk -- re. Bergie's goal -- these two articles talk about the legacy he will leave through his various appointments (Bishops and Cardinals):<br /><br />http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-popes-appointments-a-three-year-assessment<br /><br />http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/the-popes-curial-synodal-and-cardinalate-appointments-a-three-year-assessme/:<br /><br /><i>“Those who like the direction his pontificate has taken naturally look forward to those appointments. Those who believe he’s confused matters and may be inviting heterodox developments feel some nervousness at the prospects.”</i><br /><br />He tends to be focusing on those who reflect his "pastoral" vision. <br /><br />I think he intends to shake things up, to push things as far as he can in a more "open" direction, while still allowing the conservatives to say "no doctrine has been changed": <br /><br />http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2013/10/pope-francis-is-cleaning-house.html<br /><br />A key word in the two articles above is "decentralization" -- local bishops around the world will be given more autonomy -- and so the bishops of Germany will be allowed to come up with "pastoral" reasons why the divorced and remarried can be readmitted to communion, and nobody, not even a future pope, will have the ability to say anything about it.<br /><br />Check also his reference to "the Ravenna document". John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80862830622504278722016-03-31T00:35:50.814-04:002016-03-31T00:35:50.814-04:00We certainly need to guard against the temptation ...We certainly need to guard against the temptation of thinking that if Rome is bad, that ipso facto makes Protestants good or better. Invidious comparisons are not the standard of comparison. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-16185579343424386732016-03-30T21:56:06.386-04:002016-03-30T21:56:06.386-04:00John, what then do you see as Bergie's goal? ...John, what then do you see as Bergie's goal? I was under the impression that Rome was jittery about its declining influence in Latin America; for a church obsessed with its self-sufficent "fullness," it's has revelled in all the sorts of libtard doctrines and practices which have vitiated former Protestant communities. This runs counter to his claims, no? Like with the former Protestants, pursuing relevance is increasing Rome's irrelevance. Could tolerance of folk catholicism help maintain a foothold in lands where he's losing his grip? If not, why do you think such practices described in your initial article are tolerated(if not miled)?Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18554832272356803022016-03-30T21:14:41.632-04:002016-03-30T21:14:41.632-04:00When I was growing up, "The Catholic Church&q...When I was growing up, "The Catholic Church" was referred to as a kind of luxury liner. That comports with the notion that they have "the fullness of the faith". <br /><br />I don't think this pope is worried about money or solvency. I haven't seen much about Vatican finances except that there is the usual kinds of corruption. John Bugayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728044301053738095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26081845907883413542016-03-30T18:06:49.588-04:002016-03-30T18:06:49.588-04:00Steve, thanks for a thought-provoking piece. Plea...Steve, thanks for a thought-provoking piece. Please don't misconstrue my previous points to have suggested Protestants having to clean up their act prior to criticizing papists; rather, I just meant to point out that papists have hardly cornered the goofiness market - in fact, the competition is getting downright Darwinian.<br /><br />To continue with your flotilla analogy, different boats may spring leaks, capsize, hit obstructions, etc, but all too many get tossed about by every new wave of doctrine and few seem to learn from the crappy seamanship of their fellow captains. While planks and lines *can* be cast off, ther always seem to be more: the continuous flirtation with feminism, catholicism, evolution, etc, affectimg one ship seems to spread to others like the plague. This characteristic of Protestantism is something I've always found both fascinating and troubling; ie a lack of sense of history, tradition, continuity, or whatever you might call "it" cum obsession with novelty.<br /><br />As for the pope, has the loss of the long arm of the State and ability to plunder Amerindians and Jews made the him more dependent upon business practices and less mindful of doctrinal niceties? IOW is he more dependent upon the faithful and therefore less willing to tick them off in order to remain solvent?Kirk Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06142889734004402296noreply@blogger.com