tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post3595718145426434820..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Is Bell a universalist?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-32794141081252088452011-03-20T11:51:25.426-04:002011-03-20T11:51:25.426-04:00In my estimation Bell just goes beyond the doctrin...In my estimation Bell just goes beyond the doctrine of Christ:<br /><br /><b><i>2Jn 1:8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. <br />2Jn 1:9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. <br />2Jn 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, <br />2Jn 1:11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works. <br /><br />...<br /><br /><br />Heb 3:12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. <br />Heb 3:13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called "today," that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. <br />Heb 3:14 For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end. </i></b><br /><br />Knowing very very little of this man, taking admonition from those citations, it is clear from what I do know of Bell, and sense, he has left the confines of the doctrine of Christ all True Elect Believers are to remain within, [<i>2 John 9}</i>; and, what he seems to me he is venturing into now with this book <a rel="nofollow">Love Wins</a> weakens whatever hold he himself did have on original confidence, [<i>Heb. 3:14</i>].<br /><br />But again, Election is predetermined and foreordained so we can confidently assert of us, the Elect, this:<br /><br /><b><i>Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. <br />Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. <br />Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself. <br />Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever. <br /><br />...<br /><br /><br />Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. <br />Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. <br />Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more." </i></b><br /><br />It seems in view of verse <b>Hebrews 8:11</b> what Bell is doing by teaching through <a rel="nofollow">Love Wins</a> to "Know the Lord" he does what God reserves, that revelation, for Himself to do by the Sanctification Work of the Holy Spirit?<br /><br />It is the Spirit Who adds daily to True Fellowships around the world "such as are being saved".<br /><br />Once the Sanctification Work of the Spirit has begun in an Elect soul, He adds them to a True Fellowship where that soul can then come to experience the "joy" John writes about, here:<br /><br /><b><i>1Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life-- <br />1Jn 1:2 the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us-- <br />1Jn 1:3 that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. <br />1Jn 1:4 And we are writing these things so that our joy may be complete.</i></b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-34361183693791560652011-03-18T21:03:00.294-04:002011-03-18T21:03:00.294-04:00Dont forget pelagianismDont forget pelagianismShizmoohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06369428734701432827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15884625823844602202011-03-18T12:24:51.372-04:002011-03-18T12:24:51.372-04:00"I think Bell also demonstrates the folly of ...<i>"I think Bell also demonstrates the folly of what happens when you take Arminianism too far."</i><br /><br />I think another folly of Arminianism when taken to its logical conclusion is Open Theism.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-85236377271318810852011-03-18T10:12:10.865-04:002011-03-18T10:12:10.865-04:00I think Bell also demonstrates the folly of what h...I think Bell also demonstrates the folly of what happens when you take Arminianism too far. His universalism seems to stem from two false presuppositions that Arminians have a danger of tending toward: 1) Love is the primary (sometimes, <i>only</i>) attribute of God; and 2) man's freedom is the thing that makes man, man.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.com