tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2959305662618017452..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: All Of Our Hands And Feet Are NailedRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-60424203035343923682010-04-03T16:25:25.055-04:002010-04-03T16:25:25.055-04:00There are so many problems with the position Dusma...There are so many problems with the position Dusman describes and responds to above. Their reading of passages like Acts 2:38 is problematic to begin with. Acts and other documents discussing post-Calvary theology refer to people being justified prior to baptism, including in contexts addressing what’s normative. There’s no reason to exempt baptism from the many Biblical passages that exclude works from being a means of justification. Multiple forms of baptism existed prior to Calvary (John the Baptist’s and that of Jesus and His disciples) and weren’t justificatory. There’s no reason to think that Jesus’ baptism, which was already in effect prior to Calvary, later became justificatory. Etc. I discussed a lot of these issues in depth at a Roman Catholic blog a few months ago. See <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2009/12/baptismal-justification.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-28008608022773253042010-04-03T14:06:23.692-04:002010-04-03T14:06:23.692-04:00Jason,
I have often used the example of the thief...Jason,<br /><br />I have often used the example of the thief in conversations with those who hold to baptismal regeneration (i.e., traditional Church of Christ, UPCI, Mormons, etc.). Their objections always amount to the idea that (1) the thief died under the Old Covenant era and (2) people were saved by faith alone in the Old Covenant era, where as faith + baptism is essential for forgiveness of sins in the New Covenant era because it is commanded in Acts 2:38, etc. <br /><br />The response to this is easy:<br /><br />1. Paul argues for justification by faith alone in Romans 4 and applies it to people that live under either covenantal era (cf. vv. 23-24).<br /><br />2. Jesus died before the criminals did (John 19:32-33), and Hebrews 9:16-18 says that the New Covenant was inaugurated by Christ's death, hence, we are saved the same way the thief was, by faith alone.Dusmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18050174688923887698noreply@blogger.com