tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2953021960025742309..comments2024-03-14T14:41:17.663-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The Enfield Poltergeist: Chris French's SkepticismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74591086759682970352019-10-26T06:06:09.222-04:002019-10-26T06:06:09.222-04:00Here's an article that goes into more depth ab...<a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2019/10/knocking-in-enfield-case.html" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> an article that goes into more depth about the knocking phenomena.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-15967415408110196472017-12-14T13:30:07.577-05:002017-12-14T13:30:07.577-05:00Here's a post that, in part, discusses some kn...<a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/09/a-poltergeist-on-video.html" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> a post that, in part, discusses some knocking that occurred while the Hodgson girls were being filmed in another part of the house.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-35721816008621982872017-12-14T13:04:52.858-05:002017-12-14T13:04:52.858-05:00For more discussion of the evidence that Janet (an...For more discussion of the evidence that Janet (and Margaret) levitated, including a scientific experiment, see the relevant sections of the posts <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-enfield-poltergeist-general_30.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-enfield-poltergeist-joe-nickells.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/05/ed-and-lorraine-warrens-involvement-in.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/07/scientific-experiments-on-janet.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-17388574557199158992017-09-12T18:49:01.895-04:002017-09-12T18:49:01.895-04:00Here's more material on the evidential nature ...Here's more material on the evidential nature of the knocking.<br /><br />In a December 26, 1978 radio documentary you can listen to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pBmr7lhEWk" rel="nofollow">here</a>, Vic Nottingham discusses how the poltergeist's knocking followed him as he walked through the house and occurred in each room upstairs (apparently simultaneously) when he and two other men were there. Listen from 1:42 to 3:02.<br /><br />On page 59 of his book, Playfair refers to an incident in which "The knocking began at once, with me in the room. I could see without any doubt that nobody was doing it on purpose." So, Playfair was an eyewitness on that occasion, and he was able to rule out purposeful knocking by other people "without any doubt".<br /><br />On pages 63-65 of Yvette Fielding and Ciaran O'Keeffe's Ghost Hunters (London, England: Hodder & Stoughton, 2006), you can read the text of a statement signed by ten witnesses. The events occurred on October 23, 1977. During a period of knocking, "Mr. [Vic] Nottingham and Mr. [John] Burcombe examined the house thoroughly while some of the knocking was taking place but they could find no agency to serve as an explanation." Keep in mind a point I made earlier in this series, that Nottingham was a professional builder. He was knowledgeable of what noises a house could normally make, so his inability to find a normal explanation for the knocking is significant. And his examination of the house, accompanied by Burcombe, was "thorough" and occurred while the knocking was going on.<br /><br />On page 20 of the March 30, 1978 edition of the Daily Mirror, there's an article on the Enfield case by Bryan Rimmer, titled "Ghost Story". Toward the end of the article, there's a section about David Robertson's experiences with the case. The article refers to how Robertson "has heard knockings from empty rooms - one that he locked himself." So, not only did knocking come from empty rooms on multiple occasions witnessed by Robertson, but the knocking even came from an empty room after Robertson himself had locked it.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80677384114862756752017-05-03T19:49:55.077-04:002017-05-03T19:49:55.077-04:00I haven't seen the movie. Judging by what I...I haven't seen the movie. Judging by what I've read about it, it's a lot different than the Enfield case. Apparently, it takes bits and pieces of what happened, rearranges them, mixes them with a lot of fiction, and leaves out a lot.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62045185560215488152017-05-03T10:27:04.071-04:002017-05-03T10:27:04.071-04:00I'm curious if you watched Conjuring 2. It'...I'm curious if you watched Conjuring 2. It's not scholarly of course, and the ending is typical Hollywood horror goofiness, but for much of the film the director seems like he tries to stick to the events as they occurred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-2523582591077415312017-05-03T04:28:34.691-04:002017-05-03T04:28:34.691-04:00Yes. All of the video of paranormal events in that...Yes. All of the video of paranormal events in that broadcast were recreations. The BBC team tried several times to duplicate the speed and noise of the box-throwing incident, but weren't able to do it (THIH, 70).Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-51027337270837233882017-05-02T21:05:49.359-04:002017-05-02T21:05:49.359-04:00Jason, at 6:30 and following in the video you just...Jason, at 6:30 and following in the video you just mentioned there is a video of a cardboard box being thrown at Grosse. Is that a recreation?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224280484542390176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19752200862019864232017-05-02T20:52:23.651-04:002017-05-02T20:52:23.651-04:00Thanks, JBsptfn!Thanks, JBsptfn!Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-57024282674936075812017-05-02T20:41:34.493-04:002017-05-02T20:41:34.493-04:00To get a better idea of the significance of the re...To get a better idea of the significance of the red line Janet drew around the light while levitating, watch the video <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00mrhtt" rel="nofollow">here</a> from about 6:00 to 6:30. As the camera moves around, you'll see the light on the ceiling. It doesn't look like Janet would have been able to have drawn a line around the light if she'd moved one of the beds near it. I think the ceiling would be too high for her to reach, even with a bed under her. If you look at the photos in which Janet allegedly is being thrown from her bed, photos that critics claim are just pictures of her jumping, you can't even see the bottom of the light. The top of the light, where it attaches to the ceiling, is even higher. How would she have reached that high, even if she had been jumping off a bed?Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-16625599804313286672017-05-02T20:00:44.012-04:002017-05-02T20:00:44.012-04:00Steve Jackson wrote:
"The recording of the k...Steve Jackson wrote:<br /><br /><b><i>"The recording of the knocking and its responding to human questions is quite interesting. I wonder where the girls were at the time."</i></b> <br /><br />Playfair's book discusses some occasions when the children were being watched during the knocking and/or there was some other form of evidence that they didn't produce the knocks. He gives some examples that apparently happened on November 5, 1977. After some knocking had started, Grosse "was soon satisfied that none of the children was doing it. The knocks came from several parts of the floor, skirting boards and even the walls, and he could see all the children's hands." (THIH, 68) After some exchanges with the poltergeist on other issues, Grosse asked it how many years ago it left the house. It knocked 53 times and knocked twice for "yes" when asked for confirmation that it had left the house 53 years earlier (ibid., 68-9). It would be absurd to argue that one or more of the children did the knocking all 55 of those times without Grosse thinking to look at what the children were doing or without noticing that one or more of them had been doing it.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22757285990494351752017-05-02T11:46:56.246-04:002017-05-02T11:46:56.246-04:00I have heard of this French guy before. On Jime Sa...I have heard of this French guy before. On Jime Sayaka's blog, Subversive Thinking, he did two entries about him:<br /><br /><a href="https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20111031213038/http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2011/05/dean-radin-exposes-moderate-skeptic.html" rel="nofollow"> <b>Wayback Machine: Subversive Thinking-Dean Radin exposes Chris French</b></a><br /><br />Also, on the third post down, there is another post about Chris French (conceding that skeptics apply a double standard towards parapsychology):<br /><br /><a href="https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20111031212506/http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2011_05_01_archive.html" rel="nofollow"> <b>Subversive Thinking: May 2011 Archive</b></a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82490491056602544532017-05-02T09:29:16.452-04:002017-05-02T09:29:16.452-04:00I'm curious how French would explain the heate...I'm curious how French would explain the heater become dislodged from the wall. It obviously happened. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224280484542390176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-16915655461463750462017-05-02T08:46:42.487-04:002017-05-02T08:46:42.487-04:00French is a smart guy and doesn't seem to be a...French is a smart guy and doesn't seem to be a dogmatic skeptic. <br /><br />The recording of the knocking and its responding to human questions is quite interesting. I wonder where the girls were at the time.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224280484542390176noreply@blogger.com