tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2952823699585690502..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Doing what's doable Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50900924745074823662014-11-06T14:00:01.093-05:002014-11-06T14:00:01.093-05:00I've responded to you here:
http://triablogue...I've responded to you here:<br /><br />http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2014/11/saving-babies-is-not-my-primary-concern.htmlstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5612796525871775792014-11-06T13:26:47.729-05:002014-11-06T13:26:47.729-05:00https://www.facebook.com/AbolishHumanAbortion/phot...https://www.facebook.com/AbolishHumanAbortion/photos/a.152089084857114.37654.146273698771986/786209948111688/?type=1&theaterAbolitionist Society of Oklahomahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04510184977806566572noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-4461900816426147482014-11-06T13:23:53.708-05:002014-11-06T13:23:53.708-05:00Also, there are numerous "See More" tags...Also, there are numerous "See More" tags on here, which won't allow readers to see all that was said. You need to click all the See Mores in the FB page before you copy and paste.Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-43109371368514909972014-11-06T13:20:42.506-05:002014-11-06T13:20:42.506-05:00\\iv) I'm sure abortion clinics cover up botch...\\iv) I'm sure abortion clinics cover up botched abortions. That should be investigated. \\<br /><br />Don't be naive. Those have been known about without doubt for decades. And look at the effect it's had. Virtually none.<br /><br />\\To take a comparison, how many babies are saved by picketing abortion clinics?\\<br /><br />1) Quite a few.<br />2) "Saving babies" is not my primary concern. Glorifying and obeying Jesus is.<br /><br />\\Why is that legit, but legal restrictions on abortion constitute an unacceptable compromise?\\<br /><br />For one thing, I don't say to people entering the abortion mill "it's fine if you murder your baby b/c it looks like you don't have very much money".Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-55774333800807486232014-11-06T13:20:31.624-05:002014-11-06T13:20:31.624-05:00My follow-up:
\\Back to the "Hyper-Calvini...My follow-up:<br /><br /><br /> \\Back to the "Hyper-Calvinist" smear\\<br /><br />Yeesh, you sound like Sye. Please quit with the "smear" verbiage.<br /><br />\\when Toby appeals to God's activity in human affairs, that must be counterbalanced by God's inactivity vis-a-vis abolishing abortion. That's not "Hyper-Calvinistic" or fatalistic–that's just responding to Tony on his own grounds. \\<br /><br />What you're leaving out is God's standing commands to His people to correct oppression.<br /><br />\\But not doing more than I could do is not a moral compromise.\\<br /><br />Sure, I agree.<br /><br />\\If I settle for less because it's not within my power to do more, that's not a moral compromise\\<br /><br />As long as we don't equivocate on the meaning of "within my power".<br /><br />\\He did as much as he could, under the circumstances, even if it falls far short of the ideal.\\<br /><br />In the case of incrementalist legislation about when it's OK to murder babies, <br />1) you never know whether you can pass abolition until you try<br />2) with that in mind, why try for anything less?<br />3) when you pass laws that say "fulfill conditions X, Y, and Z, and then it's OK to murder babies", you educate the culture that babies are actually expendable and not made in God's image.<br />4) abortion is sin, and the answer to sin is the Gospel. The Gospel does not command us to taper off an adulterous relationship, sleeping with the mistress 4 times a week instead of 5.<br /><br />\\Is (your goal) to save babies, or is it to be "uncompromising"? \\<br /><br />It is to glorify Jesus Christ in all things. I don't see how He is glorified by saying "just make sure your needles are clean and then it's OK to murder babies."<br /><br />\\Should lawmakers not attempt to save any baby unless they can save every baby?\\<br /><br />Common canard.<br />blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/search/label/incrementalism<br /><br />\\. The Amish are very uncompromising.\\<br /><br />Obviously one can be uncompromising on wrong things in wrong ways.<br /><br />\\you're failing to distinguish between civil disobedience and the duties of a civll magistrate. A private citizen can disobey the law. \\<br /><br />So can a civil magistrate, and what's more, he OUGHT to obey God's law, which is higher than man's. <br />He can do what is right. The "or else" is that he MIGHT lose his job. Oh well. <br /><br />\\If he breaks the law, he delegitimates his own authority.\\<br /><br />That happens all over the country and I don't see people rising up to call that out. The people are so apathetic that you might as well be talking in the abstract, but the problem is that in the abstract he ought to disregard sinful laws in order to obey higher ones.<br /><br />\\Why should private citizens obey a lawless magistrate?\\<br /><br />He should obey the highest law available on the given issue.<br /><br />\\"And he can send military to padlock and guard murder facilities."<br />i) He has no legal authority to do that. \\<br /><br />So?<br /><br />\\ii) That would create a backlash which would sweep all conservatives out of power in the next two or three election cycles\\<br /><br />How do you know that? Maybe God would honor the man's faithfulness. He needs to do the right thing and let God sort out the future consequences.<br /><br />\\And they'd use that to strike down any restrictions on abortion, nationalize voluntary and involuntary euthanasia, revoke religious liberty, revoke parental rights, ban guns, &c. \<br /><br />You're dealing according to worldly wisdom here. <br /><br />\\For instance, Planned Parenthood refuses to notify the authorities of statutory rape allegations. That's a huge legal liability. And that's hard for liberals to defend. \\<br /><br />That's been known about for like 6 years, and look at the effect it's had. Virtually none.<br /><br />Rhologyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14245825667079220242noreply@blogger.com