tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2739235851455510666..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: "The common man's concept of freewill"Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-76870917320134967642012-11-01T16:19:49.808-04:002012-11-01T16:19:49.808-04:00So Clark is ancient history and he was a weirdo an...So Clark is ancient history and he was a weirdo anyways. OK, see my first response.<br /><br />But I did read through one survey (the quote you provided didn't give a source, but this is one Paul M brought up a while back). <br /><br />http://www.traditionalbaptistchronicles.com/2012/11/survey-showing-most-people-are.html<br /><br />If you have others, you’re welcome to cite them.<br /><br />God be with you,<br />Dan<br />Godismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-38582935542771539222012-11-01T14:18:32.326-04:002012-11-01T14:18:32.326-04:00I'm not sure how in touch Gordon Clark was wit...I'm not sure how in touch Gordon Clark was with the common man, even in his day.Turretinfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01802277110253897379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56893901670543380032012-11-01T14:16:12.540-04:002012-11-01T14:16:12.540-04:00Referring to Clark is anachronistic. He wasn't...Referring to Clark is anachronistic. He wasn't privy to the kinds of experimental/sociological evidence cited by Flanagan. <br /><br />Giving the dated, personal opinion of Clark fails to establish your claim that the libertarian concept of freewill is, indeed, the common man's concept. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-86562706672809265602012-10-31T20:24:34.600-04:002012-10-31T20:24:34.600-04:00Steve,
? Read the Clark quote again.
I discus...Steve,<br /><br />? Read the Clark quote again. <br /><br />I discuss if determinism is compatible with the common man concept of free will in the next section.<br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7177267557804404542012-10-31T20:14:13.108-04:002012-10-31T20:14:13.108-04:00No, that's not your point. That's the oppo...No, that's not your point. That's the opposite of your point. You made an unsourced, hasty generalization about the common man's concept of freedom. I presented counterevidence. Try again. <br /><br />The question at issue is not whether Calvinists reject the libertarian concept of freewill as true, but whether the libertarian concept is the common man's concept of freewill. Don't change the subject. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56498892748127488352012-10-31T18:47:06.944-04:002012-10-31T18:47:06.944-04:00Steve,
For reference, I will provide footnote I...Steve, <br /><br />For reference, I will provide footnote II:<br /><br />The question therefore is, Does the Bible teach the freedom of the will? By freedom of the will is meant what most ordinary people mean: the absence of any controlling power, even God and his grace, and therefore the equal ability in any situation to choose either of two incompatible courses of action. There are some semi-Calvinists who, presumably through fear, assert the freedom of the will, and then more or less disguise the fact that they define freedom of the will in a way most people would never guess. .... Freedom of the will, almost universally, means that God does not determine a man's choice. It means that the will is uncaused, not predetermined. The present book uses free will in its ordinary, commonly accepted sense. The question is Does the Bible teach freedom of the will? It is so obvious that the Bible contradicts the notion of free will that its acceptance by professing Christians can be explained only by the continuing ravages of sin in the minds of men. (Gordon H. Clark. Predestination. The Trinity Foundation. 1987 P.81)<br /><br />The problem is that Clark (a Calvinist philosopher) disagrees with Owen Flanagan and he still rejects the "common man's concept of free will". <br /><br />If you want to say that's Clark's and those who agree with him's problem, that's fair. That's my point as well. <br /><br />God be with you,<br />DanGodismyjudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05310455924556730920noreply@blogger.com