tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2103130307635119291..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: OT hellRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-39256374119966680092010-11-10T07:16:33.623-05:002010-11-10T07:16:33.623-05:00TYPO CORRECTION:
If it's translated correctly...TYPO CORRECTION:<br /><br />If it's translated correctly, then it can [CAN'T] refer to the grave since Joseph couldn't have been buried (having been eaten alive by animals).ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-71792752804577091732010-11-10T07:10:07.880-05:002010-11-10T07:10:07.880-05:00John said...
"But they rarely address the vex...John said...<br /><i>"But they rarely address the vexing difficulty that, despite the Old Testament revelation, no one seemed to know about eternal hellfire for thousands of years."</i><br /><br />We need to take into account the progressive nature of revelation. There were hints of hell in the OT just as there were hints of an afterlife. It only makes sense that the righteous will go to a blessed afterlife and the wicked to a cursed one. God condemned necromancy in ancient Israel, but never corrected/condemned the tacit belief upon which the practice was founded. Namely, the belief that the dead have continued consciousness.<br /><br /><i>Gen. 35:18 "It came about as her soul was departing (for she died), that she named him Ben-oni; but his father called him Benjamin." (NASB) </i><br /><br />The underlying Hebrew word for "soul" is elsewhere translated "life" in some translations. But if the correct translation in this passage is "soul", then the passage suggests that Rachel's personality was distinct from her body and that she was "departing" or separating from her body. (Cf. 2 Tim 4:6;<br />2 Pet. 1:14-15)<br /><br /><i>Gen. 37:35 "All his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him, but he refused to be comforted and said, "No, I shall go down to Sheol to my son, mourning." Thus his father wept for him." (ESV)</i><br /><br />While this verse can be translated and interpreted in a way that would not imply what the ESV translation does; the ESV (following some commentators) nevertheless implies that Jacob will go to a "place" called "Sheol" where Joseph current was. If it's translated correctly, then it can refer to the grave since Joseph couldn't have been buried (having been eaten alive by animals).<br /><br /><i>1 Kings 17:21 "And he stretched himself out on the child three times, and cried out to the LORD and said, “O LORD my God, I pray, let this child’s soul come back to him.” (NKJV)</i><br /><br />Again, the underlying Hebrew word for "soul" can be translated "life". But if the correct translation is "soul", then this passage suggests that the child's "soul" was distinct from the body of the child.<br /><br /><i>Deut. 32:22 "For a fire is kindled in My anger, And burns to the lowest part of Sheol, And consumes the earth with its yield, And sets on fire the foundations of the mountains." (NASB)</i><br /><br />This verse suggests that God's anger against evil is (or will be) manifested in a "place" called "Sheol". It may or may not be physical (or have a physical location). But at the very least the passage seems to imply (rightly or wrongly) that it's analogous to the heat and "fire" that oozes out of the tops of (and from the depths of) volcanos (which to the Israelites might seem like another kind of mountain).<br /><br />See also the "rephaim" or "shades" in Job 26:5; Ps. 88:10; Isa. 14:9; Isa. 26:14,19<br /><br /><i>Job 26:5<br />"The dead are in deep anguish, those beneath the waters and all that live in them." (NIV)<br />"The dead tremble under the waters and their inhabitants." (ESV)<br />"The departed spirits tremble Under the waters and their inhabitants." (NASB)<br /></i><br /><br />http://bibleencyclopedia.com/rephaim.htm<br />http://bible.cc/job/26-5.htm<br />http://bible.cc/isaiah/14-9.htm<br />http://bible.cc/isaiah/26-14.htm<br /><br />More could be said. But all one needs to do is just read the various defenses of hell by leading Evangelical scholars.ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.com