tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post2034745889318217640..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The authorship of HebrewsRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-14052414383356845842010-05-10T19:02:33.025-04:002010-05-10T19:02:33.025-04:00Jim
Don't forget Mark or Jude either...Jim<br /><br />Don't forget Mark or Jude either...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66597317173721534552010-05-10T17:01:16.727-04:002010-05-10T17:01:16.727-04:00*Smacks hand on forehead*
Right you are - I forgo...*Smacks hand on forehead*<br /><br />Right you are - I forgot about Luke.Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-17831859688390590202010-05-10T16:27:15.815-04:002010-05-10T16:27:15.815-04:00Jim,
They didn't have to be an apostle themse...Jim,<br /><br />They didn't have to be an apostle themselves (e.g., Luke) to be canonical. But both Luke and Timothy were with Paul, who was an apostle. So that wouldn't rule out canonicity even if Timothy wrote it.Peter Pikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11792036365040378473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-66352565754302506912010-05-10T15:36:38.862-04:002010-05-10T15:36:38.862-04:00I didn't think Timothy was considered an Apost...I didn't think Timothy was considered an Apostle proper per se to be considered for canonical authorship. Am I wrong?Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-9115114797961443692010-05-10T07:42:33.931-04:002010-05-10T07:42:33.931-04:00Steve (not the Triablogger), why exactly did John ...Steve (not the Triablogger), why exactly did John Robbins think that verse ruled out Pauline authorship?ANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-23509605642159489222010-05-09T16:38:59.529-04:002010-05-09T16:38:59.529-04:00In the early days of the Ministry I am a part of, ...In the early days of the Ministry I am a part of, back in the 70's and into the 80's we wrote letters of communications, articles and books to our people worldwide. I assisted in that process. Some of the books were collaborations of three and sometimes four authors who were addressing a particular issue or matter that needed to be addressed both generally or specifically.<br /><br />When we read these words:<br /><br />Rom 16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this letter, greet you in the Lord. <br /><br />...we see Tertius wrote the letter on behalf of Paul and those "brethren" with him.<br /><br />When we read the following, in my view, it is indeed Paul writing this last "physical" word addition to a body of work he developed but did not physically write. It may be it was written with the hand of another writer; yet the ending is Paul adding his personal note and "signature" to the letter? It would look something like this at the end of a formal letter these days composed by one person though "typed" by another: both the author's "signature" and then this: "MJ/pt", telling us the letter was "MJ's typed by pt".<br /><br />1Co 16:21 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. <br /><br /><br />Eph 6:21 So that you also may know how I am and what I am doing, Tychicus the beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord will tell you everything. <br />Eph 6:22 I have sent him to you for this very purpose, that you may know how we are, and that he may encourage your hearts. <br /><br />Col 4:18 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. Remember my chains. Grace be with you. <br /><br />In the following verse we read this emphasis: "we" say in "this" letter:::><br /><br />2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. <br /><br />This seems to establish the collaboration of more than one contributor to the body of the letter.<br /><br />Again, here, following, we see a similar salutation by Paul as cited above. This, in my view, does not establish Paul as the "physical writer" of the body of the letter, just the end signatory with his personal salutation and "signature" as indicated above:<br /><br />2Th 3:17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand. This is the sign of genuineness in every letter of mine; it is the way I write. <br /><br />Now, we also see Peter use the same method of communicating by letter using someone else to do the writing for him:<br /><br />1Pe 5:12 By Silvanus, a faithful brother as I regard him, I have written briefly to you, exhorting and declaring that this is the true grace of God. Stand firm in it.<br /><br />Here, in the following, after establishing above what I have, at least with regards to Tychicus, Peter acknowledges Paul's "letters" so, from Peter's point of view, though one wrote the letter, Paul is attributed with the authority from God for the message being conveyed by it: <br /><br />2Pe 3:15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, <br />2Pe 3:16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. <br /><br />Now, having brought that out above, I am of the opinion, with the caveat stated already, "....Hebrews is formally anonymous....", Hebrews is a collaboration of several of the Brethren and their mindsets put together to convey the missive of Hebrews to the Elect Saints; Paul, Peter, possibly Jude and as has been establish here, Timothy, were all contributors to it. Who actually used their own hand, whether left handed or right, is anyone's guess. This thread does bring out a sound reasoning for the "authorship of Hebrews" nonetheless that seems most pausible, being Timothy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-27013991044862398122010-05-09T15:27:05.769-04:002010-05-09T15:27:05.769-04:00FWIW2, the Catholic Bishops don't think Paul w...FWIW2, the Catholic Bishops don't think Paul wrote 2 Thessalonians.<br /><br />http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/2thessalonians/intro.htm<br /><br />-Steve JacksonUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284743262144491567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13852212476886681772010-05-09T15:23:42.666-04:002010-05-09T15:23:42.666-04:00For what it's worth, John Robbins thought that...For what it's worth, John Robbins thought that 2 Thessalonians 3:17-18("This greeting is in my own hand, Paul's. This is the sign in every letter; this is how I write.")ruled out Pauline authorship.<br /><br />-Steve JacksonUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284743262144491567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-76557447245099088042010-05-08T22:06:43.151-04:002010-05-08T22:06:43.151-04:00Despite his Scripturalism, W. Gary Crampton makes ...Despite his Scripturalism, W. Gary Crampton makes an interesting case for why Paul most likely did write the book of Hebrews. If any of you reads his article, tell me what you think. <br /><br />http://www.thebluebanner.com/pdf/bluebanner12-1.pdfANNOYED PINOYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00714774340084597206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-80614846761205022842010-05-08T21:06:45.205-04:002010-05-08T21:06:45.205-04:00Fair point.Fair point.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-13171504020104949392010-05-08T19:51:27.344-04:002010-05-08T19:51:27.344-04:00In John's gospel, John (the beloved disciple) ...In John's gospel, John (the beloved disciple) is referred to in third person. If that does not eliminate John from consideration as being the author, why would the reference to Timothy in 13:23 "eliminate Timothy from consideration as the author"?AMChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03173461337957626248noreply@blogger.com