tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1702236623216449918..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Happy-talk ArminiansRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65789180552917683652016-08-29T23:57:35.837-04:002016-08-29T23:57:35.837-04:00Thank you for your help(: Thank you for your help(: TheSirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368748265676946040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-89611080660172537742016-08-28T01:31:24.042-04:002016-08-28T01:31:24.042-04:00"Is it wrong to say that the elect are born s..."Is it wrong to say that the elect are born saved?"<br /><br />"Salvation" can mean more than one thing. It doesn't mean the elect are necessary (or probably) born regenerate or justified. <br /><br />They are "saved" in the proleptic sense that their salvation is assured. However, that doesn't mean they are regenerated, justified, sanctified, glorified, &c., all at once. Although the outcome is a foregone conclusion, there are chronological stages in the application of the atonement. For instance, you have to be sanctified before you can be glorified. You have to be regenerated before you can be sanctified. There are different phases, which must sometimes happen in a particular order. Likewise, some saving graces overlap, viz. justification, adoption. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-50644563261172994662016-08-28T00:12:23.985-04:002016-08-28T00:12:23.985-04:00i) And an Arminian might say to an Amyraldian that...i) And an Arminian might say to an Amyraldian that if unconditional election is true, then the elect are born saved and faith is unnecessary. So that objection either proves too much or too little.<br /><br />ii) In Calvinism, there are several necessary conditions for salvation, viz. election, redemption, regeneration, justification. Although having anyone of those guarantees salvation, it doesn't guarantee salvation apart from the other conditions. Rather, having any one of those conditions guarantees possession of the other conditions.<br /><br />iii) Theoretically, God could save people apart from faith. That's a contingent requirement. <br /><br />iv) As a rule, faith is a prerequisite for salvation. But that needs to be qualified. People who die before the age of reason can be saved. Retarded people can be saved. People with senile dementia can be saved.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20715217609333327302016-08-27T19:42:58.291-04:002016-08-27T19:42:58.291-04:00I'm talking with an amyraldians that thinks if...I'm talking with an amyraldians that thinks if particular redemption is true ,then the elect are born saved and faith is unnecessary.TheSirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368748265676946040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19826430332938606912016-08-27T15:09:56.090-04:002016-08-27T15:09:56.090-04:00Is it wrong to say that the elect are born saved?Is it wrong to say that the elect are born saved?TheSirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368748265676946040noreply@blogger.com