tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1481491756066194330..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: The Enfield Poltergeist: Deborah Hyde's SkepticismRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45729887938152323472020-05-03T12:32:33.906-04:002020-05-03T12:32:33.906-04:00See here for much more about Milbourne Christopher...See <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2020/05/what-enfield-skeptics-actually.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> for much more about Milbourne Christopher's visit to the house and the visits of other skeptics.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-84071730581748923632019-11-24T16:00:41.055-05:002019-11-24T16:00:41.055-05:00I've cleaned up the section on Milbourne Chris...I've cleaned up the section on Milbourne Christopher, to make it more accurate. I've removed the following sentence:<br /><br />"When he visited the Hodgsons, none of the paranormal events that occurred happened in his presence."<br /><br />And I've removed the references to "the previous night" in the following sentences:<br /><br />"Grosse had set up an audio recorder upstairs in the Hodgsons' house the previous night, so Christopher's encounter with Janet was caught on tape as well. Christopher apparently didn't know that, and his version of what happened, which he gave to Playfair on the ride to the hotel, differs significantly from what's on the tape of the previous night's events."<br /><br />The sentences now read:<br /><br />"Grosse had set up an audio recorder upstairs in the Hodgsons' house, so Christopher's encounter with Janet was caught on tape as well. Christopher apparently didn't know that, and his version of what happened, which he gave to Playfair on the ride to the hotel, differs significantly from what's on the tape of the events."Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-12258182959490137822018-08-05T18:29:43.294-04:002018-08-05T18:29:43.294-04:00I've listened to the tape recording of Janet b...I've listened to the tape recording of Janet being pulled out of bed by the poltergeist, and you can read an article I've written about it <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2018/07/dragged-out-of-bed-by-poltergeist.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-48489317769618965712018-06-08T19:18:40.255-04:002018-06-08T19:18:40.255-04:00Since the issue of poltergeist-related fires came ...Since the issue of poltergeist-related fires came up in this thread, here's something Anita Gregory wrote on page 187 of <a href="http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?did=1&uin=uk.bl.ethos.549175" rel="nofollow">her doctoral thesis</a>:<br /><br />"She [Carolyn Heeps] volunteered that the children would disappear into the kitchen and return to the room and a few minutes later [Peggy Hodgson] would go to the kitchen and say a fire had started."<br /><br />So, it looks like the fire incidents were already present long before the timeframe discussed in my original post in this thread.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-56581295287465194462018-05-25T21:23:51.654-04:002018-05-25T21:23:51.654-04:00I've changed a couple of sentences in the arti...I've changed a couple of sentences in the article, to correct my misreading of a passage in Playfair's book. Here's what I originally posted, with some of the surrounding context, followed by the corrected version:<br /><br />"As Playfair explains, the visit by these researchers caused 'total bedlam'. Only one of them had been invited, since there wasn't room in the house for more than one at that point. But that one individual, who was asked to come alone because of the lack of room for more people, brought five other individuals with him anyway. They 'covered the family dining table with all sorts of small gadgets'."<br /><br />"As Playfair explains, the visit by these researchers caused 'total bedlam'. Only one of them had been invited, since there wasn't room in the house for more than one at that point. But a few others came as well. One of them 'covered the family dining table with all sorts of small gadgets'."Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-70867034443673591602017-12-14T13:15:29.027-05:002017-12-14T13:15:29.027-05:00For more about scientific testing of Janet's p...For more about scientific testing of Janet's paranormal capabilities, see <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/07/scientific-experiments-on-janet.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46623200597470292032017-05-25T19:39:45.226-04:002017-05-25T19:39:45.226-04:00I've changed my mind about the Warrens' in...I've changed my mind about the Warrens' involvement in the Enfield case. See <a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2017/05/ed-and-lorraine-warrens-involvement-in.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7423392670240543682017-05-06T17:28:00.357-04:002017-05-06T17:28:00.357-04:00Thanks Jason.Thanks Jason.Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954530962872661952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-65668149658732839542017-05-06T15:09:10.196-04:002017-05-06T15:09:10.196-04:00Here's the Facebook post I referred to in my c...<a href="https://www.facebook.com/jason.engwer.3/posts/1452534128119519" rel="nofollow">Here's</a> the Facebook post I referred to in my comment above.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18662557114992983382017-05-06T13:26:49.403-04:002017-05-06T13:26:49.403-04:00That's fair enough, Jason.
I echo your senti...That's fair enough, Jason. <br /><br />I echo your sentiments in lamenting the lack of interest in such a fascinating case as this, and the anti-rational a priori dismissal by self-proclaimed 'critical thinkers' of all things paranormal. Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954530962872661952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-18399956372247844152017-05-05T20:08:24.102-04:002017-05-05T20:08:24.102-04:00Thanks, Danny!
There isn't much interest in p...Thanks, Danny!<br /><br />There isn't much interest in posts like these when they're so accessible and free, linked to audio and video, etc. There would be even less interest in a book. If you address apologetic issues beyond the lowest stages of an introductory level, the vast majority of people aren't going to be interested. The potential audience for posts like these is likely an extremely tiny fraction of one percent of the population, and only a tremendously small percentage of those people will ever come across any of these posts.<br /><br />If another book is to be written on the Enfield case, the best person to do it would be somebody who lives in England and, therefore, has far more access than I do to the SPR archives, the eyewitnesses who are still alive, and other relevant sources. It's astonishing to me that the writing of such a book and the publishing of such material online and in other contexts aside from books didn't happen long ago. But it's even more astonishing that our culture is so corrupt that anybody who did that sort of work wouldn't get much of an audience for it.<br /><br />Playfair has some good passages in his book about this subject, and I plan to quote him in a post on my Facebook account tomorrow. I'll link it here.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-92123679204352173822017-05-05T16:50:16.979-04:002017-05-05T16:50:16.979-04:00Jason,
Thank you for this series. You have brough...Jason,<br /><br />Thank you for this series. You have brought this case back to life with your engaging style in clearly laying out the details, the objections and the ultimately weak nature of those objections. It is once again fascinating to see nature of the sceptics' a priori assumptions in this case. You answer the sceptics' objections clearly and in a manner that exposes the utter inadequacy of such objections.<br /><br />I wonder, have you thought about producing a book in a similar vein? Dannyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03954530962872661952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75027124974059297992017-05-04T18:24:03.763-04:002017-05-04T18:24:03.763-04:00I appreciate the encouragement from both of you.
...I appreciate the encouragement from both of you.<br /><br />I don't know much about the Amityville case.<br /><br />From what little I've heard about and from the Warrens, their work seems highly problematic. Playfair discusses his view of Ed Warren in <a href="http://www.skeptic.com/podcasts/monstertalk/17/03/08/" rel="nofollow">the MonsterTalk interview I linked earlier</a> (start listening at 26:30). The Warrens' involvement in the Enfield case was negligible.Jason Engwerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17031011335190895123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-49125800329916821422017-05-04T17:07:00.641-04:002017-05-04T17:07:00.641-04:00This has indeed been an enlightening series; thank...This has indeed been an enlightening series; thank you, Jason. Have you ever looked into the Amityville case? If so, I'm wondering if you think it's the outright fraud that skeptics claim it is. Do you have any opinions on Ed and Lorraine Warren?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-76616628049266771862017-05-04T13:36:54.109-04:002017-05-04T13:36:54.109-04:00Another excellent post. I look forward to what yo...Another excellent post. I look forward to what you have to say about Anita Gregory. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17224280484542390176noreply@blogger.com