tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1394127857209757780..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Civil warRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-75854151211271744792015-10-07T21:20:31.844-04:002015-10-07T21:20:31.844-04:00A survey I'm looking at says 55% of Americans ...A survey I'm looking at says 55% of Americans want stricter gun laws. Assuming there is a revolt what makes you think the rebels would win? And having won, what then? Do you institute a military dictatorship to stop the majority getting their way again? And in the aftermath of a bloody civil war, what would that do to mass opinion on gun laws? Do you think maybe it would be the final nail in the gun support coffin?ccthecchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934412921791806893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-45464480972125805772015-10-07T21:14:14.989-04:002015-10-07T21:14:14.989-04:00The Australian laws are national, they involve ban...The Australian laws are national, they involve bans and confiscation. It's still possible to get a gun but it's a lot harder.<br /><br />You complain about the comparison to Australia ( a society that is quite similar to the USA) yet your rebuttal is to refer to the ancient history of the civil war. Things couldn't be more different then to now in every possible way.<br /><br /><br />For one thing, like most wars, follow the money. The south perceived is economic livelihood was based on slavery thus the call to arms came from the top down from the big money. By contrast guns are not the foundation of the economy and there is no profit, in fact massive losses for a country in civil war. <br /><br />Furthermore any gun bans would happen a little at a time. First assault rifles, moving up the chain. Each step would be met with little more than sound and fury.<br /><br />The idea that society would entirety break down because a democratically elected government was doing something that would in fact be widely popular is pure fantasy. Does the republican right jump to civil war when one of its hobby horses is rebutted? Nope.<br /><br /><br />And... What if I'm right? By supporting the status quo, because of an outlandish fantasy, means hundreds of thousands are killed that could have been saved. Is that good christian thinking?ccthecchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934412921791806893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-5590777517784631982015-10-07T12:15:09.040-04:002015-10-07T12:15:09.040-04:00It depends on the extent of the revolt. How many A...It depends on the extent of the revolt. How many Americans, inside and outside of gov't would participate in the revolt. It doesn't take that much to gridlock a city or hitech society. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-30329396261171630132015-10-07T11:39:32.750-04:002015-10-07T11:39:32.750-04:00You give us a throwaway line about Australia is no...You give us a throwaway line about Australia is not the USA, but proceed to act as if it is. In the runup to the American Civil War, the officer corps was dominated by Southerners. Most of them resigned their commission to fight for the Confederacy. We're not talking about the euphemism of "gun laws," but national bans and confiscation. BTW, the vulnerability of a hitech society extends to a hitech military. stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-7259742927570063662015-10-07T09:14:02.479-04:002015-10-07T09:14:02.479-04:00When guns were confiscated in Australia there was ...When guns were confiscated in Australia there was no hint of civil disobedience let alone civil war. While granting that Australia is not the USA., this scenario is pure fantasy.<br /><br />And while one might perhaps conceive extreme scenarios in which the military would side against the duly elected government, the idea that gun laws would do it is again pure fantasy. And in a post snowden world the idea you would get far inside the NSA being a rebel is also pure fantasy<br /><br />and if, according to your theory both sides are reluctant to do major damage to the other side, the rebellion is unwinnable. Like northern Ireland or Israel, annoying but not fatal. So what's the point? Either you have overwhelming force and you use it, or you don't win. <br /><br />Afghanistan may have been a quagmire, but it was only lost to the extent of a lack of appetite to throw men at a foreign land. There would be no such withdrawal on home turf.ccthecchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00934412921791806893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-74989468863863107222015-10-06T13:36:12.622-04:002015-10-06T13:36:12.622-04:00And as we've learned from recent conflicts, mi...And as we've learned from recent conflicts, military and technological superiority does not always guarantee victory in urban warfare against opponents who know their territory and are prepared to fight a war of attrition.Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784922935749497931noreply@blogger.com