tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1323749714030379700..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Celestial damage controlRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46345947174355662522018-05-18T11:25:29.389-04:002018-05-18T11:25:29.389-04:00I fail to see how a god who knows all possibilitie...I fail to see how a god who knows all possibilities, but still has no control over what happens is any better than a God who knows a limited range of possibilities. They both seem to be rather imperfect beings. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1946650797029306672018-05-17T19:18:02.836-04:002018-05-17T19:18:02.836-04:00"So there is no getting blindsided, in his vi..."So there is no getting blindsided, in his view"<br /><br />Well, then he is profoundly confused and nonsensical.C.M. Grangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08425837594116278619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-42949559385050126332018-05-17T15:10:10.631-04:002018-05-17T15:10:10.631-04:00Then by definition God cannot be "surprised&q...Then by definition God cannot be "surprised" by anything if he can anticipate an infinite amount of events. Nor can he truly "change his mind" if he already knew what he would do given any one of the infinite number of possibilities he actually knows.KSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874884193715474048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-72067031657696758702018-05-17T14:34:57.499-04:002018-05-17T14:34:57.499-04:00Yes, he agrees with those, but all possibilities a...Yes, he agrees with those, but all possibilities and probabilities are always infallibly foreknown (these are different at every moment). So there is no getting blindsided, in his view. Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04601885187182140821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-26366828227100527382018-05-17T14:08:46.624-04:002018-05-17T14:08:46.624-04:00"I affirm (because Scripture teaches) that Go..."I affirm (because Scripture teaches) that God can and has guaranteed whatever he wants about the future, since he is omnipotent. I also affirm (because Scripture also teaches) that God created us with the capacity to love, and thus empowered us to decide some matters for ourselves. Within the parameters set by the Creator, parameters which guarantee whatever God wants to guarantee about the future, humans have some degree of self-determination."<br /><br />If God has guaranteed whatever he wants about the future, then all people will be saved because God desires that all will be saved. But all people will not be saved. Therefore God has not guaranteed whatever he wants about the future.KSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874884193715474048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-44529366085786146522018-05-17T13:59:39.859-04:002018-05-17T13:59:39.859-04:00Doesn't that article imply abstract objects (o...Doesn't that article imply abstract objects (ontological possibilities) exist eternally independent of God?<br /><br />Also, if God is infinitely intelligent and can anticipate all possible "might/might not" possibilities then by definition he can't be "surprised" because surprise implies something unanticipated. (A surprise party, a surprise win, a surprise comeback.)KSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874884193715474048noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22471194416745694642018-05-17T10:53:20.580-04:002018-05-17T10:53:20.580-04:00 • The Lord frequently changes his mind in the lig... • The Lord frequently changes his mind in the light of changing circumstances<br /><br /> • Sometimes God expresses regret and disappointment over how things turned out—sometimes even including the results of his own will. <br /><br /> • At other times he tells us that he is surprised at how things turned out because he expected a different outcome <br /><br />http://reknew.org/2007/12/response-to-critics/stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-20412363723571450752018-05-17T09:57:07.258-04:002018-05-17T09:57:07.258-04:00"God was constantly blindsided by unforeseen ..."God was constantly blindsided by unforeseen events."<br /><br />This bit shows that you don't actually understand Boyd's view of divine providence. This may help: http://reknew.org/2007/12/neomolonism-and-the-infinite-intelligence-of-god/Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04601885187182140821noreply@blogger.com