tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post116119307113787016..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: ConsolationsRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161367522840974452006-10-20T14:05:00.000-04:002006-10-20T14:05:00.000-04:00KJV 1611,You said,"Says the pot to the kettle...Ta...KJV 1611,<BR/><BR/>You said,<BR/><BR/><I>"Says the pot to the kettle...<BR/><BR/>Talking plants and donkeys!<BR/><BR/>Magic gardens!<BR/><BR/>People transforming into SALT!<BR/><BR/>Fascinating tales of events that REALLY HAPPENED!"</I><BR/><BR/><B>My reply:<BR/><BR/>No, apes transforming into people, non-life turning into life, non-intelligent turning into the intelligent, cell-dividing turning into the copulating, selfish turning into the altruistic, and two-way reptillian lungs becoming one-way avian lungs is what REALLY HAPPENED.<BR/><BR/>We'll beat you all day long with this kind of stuff, you alchemist! Led into gold, hip hip, hurray!</B>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161356445312555312006-10-20T11:00:00.000-04:002006-10-20T11:00:00.000-04:00thegreatpumpkin said:Re: 1--Accepted standards in ...thegreatpumpkin said:<BR/>Re: 1--<BR/><BR/>Accepted standards in archeology and historical research.<BR/><BR/>Re: 2--<BR/><BR/>What technological inventions could have allowed ANE peoples to reach the New World before the flood? How could they have developed complex civilizations within the time frame we're discussing?<BR/><BR/>***********************<BR/><BR/>Hiraeth has already beaten me to the punch on #2.<BR/><BR/>Re #1, I've already posted a fair amount about chronometry from time to time (pardon the pun), so I don't plan to go over the same ground right at the moment unless you have a challenge to what I've already said on the subject.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161340865614512782006-10-20T06:41:00.000-04:002006-10-20T06:41:00.000-04:00Says the pot to the kettle...Talking plants and do...Says the pot to the kettle...<BR/><BR/>Talking plants and donkeys!<BR/><BR/>Magic gardens!<BR/><BR/>People transforming into SALT!<BR/><BR/>Fascinating tales of events that REALLY HAPPENED!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161328474732397252006-10-20T03:14:00.000-04:002006-10-20T03:14:00.000-04:00Evan, there's a shorter word for it. Idiocy.Evan, there's a shorter word for it. Idiocy.Hiraethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745527476050999805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161296215886501642006-10-19T18:16:00.000-04:002006-10-19T18:16:00.000-04:00It's a wonder why "yawn-boy" finds so much satisfa...It's a wonder why "yawn-boy" finds so much satisfaction in, what is to him, self-torture.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure there is a ten-letter psychological name for this.<BR/><BR/>But I just like to call it truth-suppressing unbelief.Evan Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287475721156396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161293893728204742006-10-19T17:38:00.000-04:002006-10-19T17:38:00.000-04:00:::YAWN!!!:::Steve...my fine feathered friend....y...:::YAWN!!!:::<BR/><BR/>Steve...my fine feathered friend....you're killing me here.<BR/><BR/>Every time I check out your articles, its like I'm taking the off ramp to "Boring City."<BR/><BR/>I must be a glutton...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161280220747328752006-10-19T13:50:00.000-04:002006-10-19T13:50:00.000-04:00Oh dear. I think someone left Sunday school too ea...Oh dear. I think someone left Sunday school too early (KJV1611).<BR/><BR/>Oh, and Pumpkin-features, I suspect the technological invention in question was called a boat. You know, big thing with oars and sails. Floats.<BR/><BR/>As for complex civilisations, I'd note that a few Europeans haven't done too badly in less than half a millenium.Hiraethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08745527476050999805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161279874639044382006-10-19T13:44:00.000-04:002006-10-19T13:44:00.000-04:00I know!!! I know!!!there was an angel with a big ...I know!!! I know!!!<BR/><BR/>there was an angel with a big flaming sword standing watch over a magical garden, and then a big tower to the sky that upset God, and then, BAM!!!<BR/><BR/>People all over the frickin' place.<BR/><BR/>Case closed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161276182810077322006-10-19T12:43:00.000-04:002006-10-19T12:43:00.000-04:00Re: 1--Accepted standards in archeology and histor...Re: 1--<BR/><BR/>Accepted standards in archeology and historical research.<BR/><BR/>Re: 2--<BR/><BR/>What technological inventions could have allowed ANE peoples to reach the New World before the flood? How could they have developed complex civilizations within the time frame we're discussing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161261195793097882006-10-19T08:33:00.000-04:002006-10-19T08:33:00.000-04:00thegreatpumpkin said...Steve,Regarding the last po...thegreatpumpkin said...<BR/>Steve,<BR/><BR/>Regarding the last point:<BR/><BR/>We can look at human history, without looking at biology, and conclude that the outline of a literal Genesis is false. The existence of civilizations and structures that would somehow pre-date the global flood (which supposedly rearranged global strata, but left structures and artefacts located in proximity to their civilizations), and are spread throughout the globe is a historical fact, not a biological one. The idea that people were spread only through the Persian area at the beginning of history, and then were spread via Babel, is completely contradicted by evidence.<BR/><BR/>************************************<BR/><BR/>A few brief points:<BR/><BR/>1. What chronometric techniques do you rely on to date ANE civilization?<BR/><BR/>2. The flood account is silent on the extent of human geographical distribution before the flood.<BR/><BR/>3. You're relying on a specific model of flood geology. <BR/><BR/>Up to a point there's nothing wrong with that, but any flood-geological model is going to be underdetermined by the rather scant literary clues in Genesis, and in my opinion, the more drastic models probably overinterpret the text.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161252774121628152006-10-19T06:12:00.000-04:002006-10-19T06:12:00.000-04:00Steve,Regarding the last point:We can look at huma...Steve,<BR/><BR/>Regarding the last point:<BR/><BR/>We can look at human history, without looking at biology, and conclude that the outline of a literal Genesis is false. The existence of civilizations and structures that would somehow pre-date the global flood (which supposedly rearranged global strata, but left structures and artefacts located in proximity to their civilizations), and are spread throughout the globe is a historical fact, not a biological one. The idea that people were spread only through the Persian area at the beginning of history, and then were spread via Babel, is completely contradicted by evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1161203006869399812006-10-18T16:23:00.000-04:002006-10-18T16:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Patrick Chanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095377877712197984noreply@blogger.com