tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post115824431365636566..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Altar Boyz N da HoodRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158650074987916692006-09-19T03:14:00.000-04:002006-09-19T03:14:00.000-04:00>Perish the thought, though, of you reasoning your...>Perish the thought, though, of you reasoning your way into Roman Catholicism as Mr. Armstrong suggests....<BR/><BR/>This distorts what I wrote, which was that Steve might reason himself out of <I>anti-Catholicism</I>, not Protestantism. The two are not identical. The vast majority of Protestants are not anti-Catholics.<BR/><BR/>DADave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158649955474822132006-09-19T03:12:00.000-04:002006-09-19T03:12:00.000-04:00I have responded on my blog:Neither Fish Nor Fowl:...I have responded on my blog:<BR/><BR/><I>Neither Fish Nor Fowl: My "Hybrid" (??) Post-Conversion Faith</I><BR/><BR/>http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/09/neither-fish-nor-fowl-my-hybrid-post.html<BR/><BR/>Dave "Theological Chameleon" ArmstrongDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158427231907112562006-09-16T13:20:00.000-04:002006-09-16T13:20:00.000-04:00Steve I have a question: Do you consider the CRC ...Steve I have a question: Do you consider the CRC liberal enough to have come to the apostate label?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158324564424489942006-09-15T08:49:00.000-04:002006-09-15T08:49:00.000-04:00Gavin,1. For me, Christology includes the work of ...Gavin,<BR/><BR/>1. For me, Christology includes the work of Christ as well as the person of Christ. Both are equally important.<BR/><BR/>2. Likewise, if a denomination becomes sufficiently liberal, then it's apostate as far as I'm concerned.<BR/><BR/>3. I'd include liberal ethics as well as liberal theology in my definition.<BR/><BR/>4. The RCC turned its back on the Gospel with the Council of Trend.<BR/><BR/>5. In addition, Vatican II codified modernism.<BR/><BR/>6. Contemporary Catholic scholarship undercuts NT Christology. And the same scalpel can be applied to historical theology.<BR/><BR/>Steve Jackson mentions Kasper and Brown. We could add Fitzmyer and Schillebeeckx.<BR/><BR/>When seminarians and college students are taught this stuff, there's nothing to prevent the RCC from going the way of the other liberalizing and dying mainline denominations.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158293451197701732006-09-15T00:10:00.000-04:002006-09-15T00:10:00.000-04:00> "So guys like Dave Armstrong and Scott Hahn pres...> <I>"So guys like Dave Armstrong and Scott Hahn present an artificially Evangelicalized version of Roman Catholicism."</I><BR/><BR/>Don't forget Gerry Matatics, the former Calvinist pastor whose name appears in current editions of <I>Rome Sweet Rome</I> as a prior convert who helped guide the Hahns across the Tiber, but who has subsequently become a Sedevacantist of some sort or another. (Perhaps he found that new Priest was but old Presbyter writ large...)Tom Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06246157794276270490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158282056073363842006-09-14T21:00:00.000-04:002006-09-14T21:00:00.000-04:00Gavin,Yes, Rome defends "Jesus" and "the Trinity",...Gavin,<BR/><BR/>Yes, Rome defends "Jesus" and "the Trinity", but what Catholics are free to believe about these questions has become increasingly broad. For example, Raymond Brown was named to the Pontifical Biblical Commission even though he believed that Jesus held a "superstitous" view of demonic activity. And Cardinal Kasper doubts that Jesus performed miracles.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158280456577426332006-09-14T20:34:00.000-04:002006-09-14T20:34:00.000-04:00and I'll quickly add that your comparison of the R...and I'll quickly add that your comparison of the RCC to a ghetto is quite accurate. It's not a hellfire sentence, but it's not the best place to be.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10876735704508443889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158280274402018852006-09-14T20:31:00.000-04:002006-09-14T20:31:00.000-04:00I don't know that I'd use the word "apostate" to r...I don't know that I'd use the word "apostate" to refer to Rome. And I really don't see how it can refer to the CRC.<BR/><BR/>What I've always thought (although I grew up RCC, so this is their definition) is that "apostate" refers to someone who turns away from Christ. From a Catholic standpoint, I am now a heretic, but not apostate. The PCUSA is now apostate in that they have turned away from the Trinity. The RCC, as anyone will notice, defends the Trinity more fiercely than all of us protestants combined. They defend Christ with equal vigor. Yes, they do preach false doctrines about Christ, but in the end they will still defend Him. Will their lack of apostacy save them? No way, they still have the difficult choice of following the Gospel or their doctrine. But still, their Christology is sounder than that of "bishop" Jefferts-Schorri.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10876735704508443889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158260061568370182006-09-14T14:54:00.000-04:002006-09-14T14:54:00.000-04:00Thanks for the fuller response, Steve.Thanks for the fuller response, Steve.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158250541248074492006-09-14T12:15:00.000-04:002006-09-14T12:15:00.000-04:00Anon,At this point I don't remember what all I hav...Anon,<BR/><BR/>At this point I don't remember what all I have or have not read of Hahn.<BR/><BR/>But I don't read Catholic popularizers and lay apologetes to learn about Catholic theology.<BR/><BR/>I read them to study the bad arguments for Catholicism.<BR/><BR/>For my knowledge of Catholic theology, I go higher up the food chain to the likes of Ratzinger or Rahner.stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1158246929965083282006-09-14T11:15:00.000-04:002006-09-14T11:15:00.000-04:00steve hays, the reason hahn is so convincing to us...steve hays, the reason hahn is so convincing to us former evangelicals is because he proves stuff from the bible. have you ever read any of his books? if you had, i'm very surprised you're not swimming the tiber.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com