tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post114464888321809832..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Whosoever Is AppointedRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1144685546291244652006-04-10T12:12:00.000-04:002006-04-10T12:12:00.000-04:00Daniel:1. You said, "It's not proof that the appoi...Daniel:<BR/><BR/>1. You said, "It's not proof that the appointing came before the believing."<BR/><BR/>A. In _The Potter's Freedom_ (Calvary Press Publishing, 2000, pp. 188-89), Dr. James White remarks:<BR/><BR/>"The term 'appointed' here is found in what is called a periphrastic construction. A periphrastic construction involves the use of a participle with a form of the Greek verb of being, EIMI. By combining different tenses of both elements, a particular result is achieved. In this case, Luke uses the imperfect form of eimi together with the perfect passive participle. The result is that the phrase must be translated as a 'pluperfect.'<BR/><BR/>"A pluperfect sense speaks of a completed action in the past, but unlike the perfect tense, the pluperfect does not contain the idea of a continuation of the past action into the present time. Therefore, the meaning of 'appointed' refers to a past time. How can this be if, in fact, we are to understand this as an attitude in the Gentiles who have just heard that the gospel is coming to them? Obviously, to take it in the sense suggested by Buswell or Alford is to understand this action as something that takes place at the very point where the Apostles quote from Isaiah and proclaim that the Gentiles can receive the blessings of the gospel."<BR/><BR/>2. "All Luke is doing is contrasting those that rejected and, thus, didn't receive eternal life with those that believed and were given it."<BR/><BR/>A. No one doubts that a contrast is being made. The controversy centers around the nature of the contrast. You assume, as Wilkin does, that the contrast is purely symmetrical: The Jews carried out an action; the Gentiles carried out an action. I would argue, from the grammar of the text, that the contrast is asymmetrical first, symmetrical second: The Jews carried out an action; the Gentiles *received an action* prior to carrying out an action.<BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/><BR/>JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1144682247826258822006-04-10T11:17:00.000-04:002006-04-10T11:17:00.000-04:00I tend to look at the verse another way. To me, i...I tend to look at the verse another way. To me, it's like saying, "And those chosen for the job applied." It's not proof that the appointing came before the believing. All Luke is doing is contrasting those that rejected and, thus, didn't receive eternal life with those that believed and were given it.Invisible Mountain Archeological Societyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03780524434982577289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1144651771103099802006-04-10T02:49:00.000-04:002006-04-10T02:49:00.000-04:00Joel:Thanks for noting these things.Joel:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for noting these things.Evan Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287475721156396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1144651026422335172006-04-10T02:37:00.000-04:002006-04-10T02:37:00.000-04:00Just a couple other comments:1. Wilkin says, "It c...Just a couple other comments:<BR/><BR/>1. Wilkin says, "It could mean, 'As many as had belonged to eternal life believed,' or 'as many as had been classed among those possessing eternal life believed' or 'as many as had been devoted to eternal life believed.' The context is helpful here."<BR/><BR/>A. Notice how the third option "...had been devoted..." creeps in. Does BAGD suggest this meaning at Acts 13.48?<BR/><BR/>2. Wilkin says, "The Jews in Pisidian Antioch rejected the teachings of Paul and Barnabas and judged themselves unworthy of eternal life. The Gentiles, oppositely, accepted the teachings of the apostles. However, instead of saying 'they judged themselves worthy of eternal life,' Luke chose to say instead that the Gentiles believed, as many as had been devoted to eternal life."<BR/><BR/>A. Notice again how the unsupported "devoted" rendering creeps in.<BR/><BR/>B. We know that the Gentiles were somehow opposite that of the Jews in Acts 13. But was the contrast driven by an action carried out or received by the subject? Wilkin assumes the former and, in doing so, question-begs.<BR/><BR/>C. Not only does Wilkin question-beg, he contradicts his original statement of TASSW being passive. Says Wilkin: "They first **devoted themselves** to searching out the way to eternal life and then having discovered the message (Jesus guarantees eternal life to all who simply believe in Him) they believed it." (My emphasis)<BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/><BR/>JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1144649901148813032006-04-10T02:18:00.000-04:002006-04-10T02:18:00.000-04:00Thanks, Evan.Others may find the following list of...Thanks, Evan.<BR/><BR/>Others may find the following list of occurrences of TASSW (B-Greek nomenclature) in the New Testament helpful:<BR/><BR/>Matthew 28.16: "So the eleven disciples went to Galilee to the mountain Jesus had designated (ETAXATO)." (NET)<BR/><BR/>Luke 7.8: "For I too am a man set (TASSOMENOS) under authority, with soldiers under me. I say to this one, 'Go,' and he goes, and to another, 'Come,' and he comes, and to my slave, 'Do this,' and he does it." (NET)<BR/><BR/>Acts 15.2: "When Paul and Barnabas had a major argument and debate with them, the church appointed (ETAXAN) Paul and Barnabas and some others from among them to go up to meet with the apostles and elders in Jerusalem about this point of disagreement." (NET)<BR/><BR/>Acts 22.10: "So I asked, 'What should I do, Lord?' The Lord said to me, 'Get up and go to Damascus; there you will be told about everything that you have been designated (TETAKTAI) to do.'" (NET)<BR/><BR/>Acts 28.23: "They set (TAXAMENOI) a day to meet with him, and they came to him where he was staying in even greater numbers. From morning until evening he explained things to them, testifying about the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus from both the law of Moses and the prophets." (NET)<BR/><BR/>Romans 13.1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God's appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted (TETAGMENAI) by God." (NET)<BR/><BR/>1 Corinthians 16.15: "Now, brothers and sisters, you know about the household of Stephanus, that as the first converts of Achaia, they devoted (ETAXAN) themselves to ministry for the saints. I urge you" (NET).<BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/><BR/>JoelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com