tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post113752225491207203..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: By Jove!Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1137738999529877652006-01-20T01:36:00.000-05:002006-01-20T01:36:00.000-05:00keiness:Thanks for the rational argumentation. Oh,...keiness:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the rational argumentation. Oh, and that would be a lot easier if you weren't female.Evan Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287475721156396697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1137667148186298312006-01-19T05:39:00.000-05:002006-01-19T05:39:00.000-05:00"only christians are granted an eternal life of tr..."only christians are granted an eternal life of truth." <BR/>you can suck my left and right balls.okaykeihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01183154889976556887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1137546155337893952006-01-17T20:02:00.000-05:002006-01-17T20:02:00.000-05:00I posted the above comment perhaps looking for som...I posted the above comment perhaps looking for some of the patented sorting-out and getting at the underlying matter and showing just where Zwingli is out of biblical bounds, if he is in the passage quoted by Owen...that Hays is known for being able to do...<BR/><BR/>I suspect there may be a difference between pre-Incarnation requirements regarding salvation and post-Incarcanation, but that may be a wrong thing to say, in many ways. <BR/><BR/>Also, I suspect there may be room for debate in the area of Hays' position that God is making a statement regarding people's non-election when He puts them in times and places where they can't hear of Jesus Christ and the position that God's decree of election is not constrained by such temporal and physical limitations (etc., etc.)<BR/><BR/>Owen probably would like to lasso Zwingli into the view that people who deny Jesus is God come in the flesh can still be saved (Muslims, Jews, for instance), and I think obviously Herr Zwingli is not saying that in that passage.<BR/><BR/>But I'll gladly step aside and let the Triablogue crew sort it out.UK67https://www.blogger.com/profile/15095910610517995965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1137530596587546002006-01-17T15:43:00.000-05:002006-01-17T15:43:00.000-05:00[From the editors of the book from which the Zwing...[From the editors of the book from which the Zwingli passage quoted in the post is taken:]<BR/><BR/>"The real point is that Zwingli could make the assertion because it was congruent with his whole conception of the divine sovereinty and the election of grace. The redemptive purpose and activity of God was not limited by the chronology or the geography of the incarnation and the atonement. The decree of election upon which all salvation depends was a decree from all eternity, enclosing men of all generations within its embrace. Chronologically the patriarchs and pious Israelites preceded the coming of the Saviour, but this did not prevent their salvation by anticipatory faith. Similary the pious heathen might well be the recipients of divine grace and redemption even though they remained outside the temporal reach of the Gospel. They were not saved because of their piety, but because of the eternal activity of God in election and atonement. The temporality of the Redeemer's life and death did not set any limit to the possibilities of God's eternal grace. In outward form, no doubt, the assertion was determined by Zwingli's humanistic predilections, but its theological foundation was uncompromisingly Reformed."<BR/><BR/><I>Zwingli and Bullinger</I> (Library of Christian Classics) by G. W. BromileyUK67https://www.blogger.com/profile/15095910610517995965noreply@blogger.com