tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post1136072303149240377..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Not So Innocent After AllRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-59268574245286351192007-07-08T19:41:00.000-04:002007-07-08T19:41:00.000-04:00> The wicked are estranged from the womb ...This p...<I>> The wicked are estranged from the womb ...<BR/><BR/>This proof-text makes its claim about a segment of the human race called "the wicked." You, on the other hand, apply it to the entire human race itself.</I><BR/><BR/>Wow, stunning response. Let's put it to the test.<BR/><BR/>Actually, we have here a parallel statement. "The wicked" are defined here by "those who speak lies." Who has not lied?<BR/><BR/>The righteous here are shown as those vindicated by the judgment of God Himself, not the "gods" eg. the judges of men. They are depicted in an eschatological context, where God has judged between the righteous and the wicked. Their righteousness is thus not of their own intrinsic doing or character, but a product of God's mercy.<BR/><BR/>Scripture additionally teaches that no one is righteous no, not one, all have turned astray <BR/><BR/>and<BR/>There is not a righteous man on earth who continually does what is right and never sins<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>to break one point of the law is to break the whole<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>...the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil, and insanity is in their hearts<BR/><BR/>and<BR/><BR/>there is no man who does not sin.<BR/><BR/>and Proverbs 20:9 asks "Who can say 'I have kept my heart pure I am clean and without sin?'" Will you seriously argue that somebody can say "Yes" to this?<BR/><BR/>And Romans 3 indexes this text here to Psalm 5 and Psalm 140, and Psalm 53. Psalm 140 and Ps. 53 stand in relation by the images of venom and snakes. Pauline theology interprets these as statements of the universality of sin, the wickedness of all men without exception.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-444527286330492462007-07-08T17:25:00.000-04:002007-07-08T17:25:00.000-04:00I anticipate one of the atheist trolls will get in...I anticipate one of the atheist trolls will get in with this soon, so I'll pre-empt it: What does this say about abortion? If the Alien Womb Invader Parasites are not "innocent" after all, wouldn't this make abortion justifiable as a sort of pre-emptive death penalty, a` la "Freakonomics"?<BR/><BR/>I suppose a Christian could make several arguments in reply, eg:<BR/><BR/>(a) the death penalty is used only for crimes and life-endangering ones), not sins (eg, no one today in the West is put to death for worshipping idols, and if Genesis 9:6 is one's prooftext, then it seems the Supreme Court was right in <I>Coker v Georgia</I> to forbid DP for non-lethal crimes)<BR/><BR/>(b) if everyone is sinful, then everyone deserves death equally, and no one alive is fit to be the executioner. Whereas DP involves, at least in principle, a non-murderer executing a murderer (that's defining "murder" as "unprovoked killing of a non-aggressor" as opposed to "state-sanctioned killing of some guy who shot some other guy because he had a really, really bad childhood").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-33888713273953184132007-07-08T17:23:00.000-04:002007-07-08T17:23:00.000-04:00> The wicked are estranged from the womb ...This p...> The wicked are estranged from the womb ...<BR/><BR/>This proof-text makes its claim about a segment of the human race called "the wicked." You, on the other hand, apply it to the entire human race itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-22341723503108221942007-07-08T11:54:00.000-04:002007-07-08T11:54:00.000-04:00FYI: My response to Steve Hays' reply to Rob Koons...FYI: My response to Steve Hays' reply to Rob Koons:<BR/><BR/>http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/07/reply-to-steve-hays-critique-of-robert.htmlDave Armstronghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07771661758539438173noreply@blogger.com