tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post112498694733313516..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Karl Keating's hissy-fitRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-37149786481242385092010-10-03T00:32:10.651-04:002010-10-03T00:32:10.651-04:00how many idols (saints as they term them) does the...how many idols (saints as they term them) does the catholic church have again, I forget the hundreds they have.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17997532699599566416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-82062527442889116222010-07-21T22:05:50.064-04:002010-07-21T22:05:50.064-04:00If you wanna see Karl keating really struggle in a...If you wanna see Karl keating really struggle in a debate and on the ropes getting frustrated watch him debate Dave Hunt. Hunt really got Him angry and not on purpose.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902510766406561510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-78903963214456210552010-07-21T22:02:23.823-04:002010-07-21T22:02:23.823-04:00With All do respect to catholics. I am an ex cath...With All do respect to catholics. I am an ex catholic who went to catholic grammar school and Highschool. It's borderline hysterical to hear catholics say Protestants have wrong understanding of the Bible or that there interpretation of it is twisted. This is funny because if you go into any catholic church anywhere you cannot find one bible in any pue ever. Its also funny because protestants use scripture as thier authority and have thorough bible studies in Church every Sunday as where catholics do not. As a catholic we never had bible studies and were never even encouraged to study it. For a Catholic to say that protestants missinterpret the bible thats like looking at a red car and someone comes over and tells you its blue even though you know its red. And then he says to you, well, if you look at it in a different light it is and you reply no its red . If you paint than maybe it will be blue. The blue car guy is the catholic church. When I began to question Romes catechism and compare it to the Bible many things started to disturb me about catholicism. No one pushed me or brainwashed me . It was the comparison to the Scriptures that woke me up. I only hope catholics can start doing what I did so they can break free of these faulty traditions.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12902510766406561510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-79985014644976864272009-06-01T10:34:49.784-04:002009-06-01T10:34:49.784-04:00Natalia left an excellent, well written comment.
...Natalia left an excellent, well written comment.<br /><br />It is very tragic to see people still engaging in Catholic bashing. I can just as easily (and immaturely) lay into Protestants for Martin Luther's viciously anti-Jewish hatred (very Christ-like stuff) or his instigation of the Peasant's War.<br /><br />Like it or not, this is the guy you hail as a great theologian. But I do not indict Protestants for his errors.<br /><br />If anyone is arrogent, it is not an orthodox Catholic. We do not have the arrogance of many in, as Natalia puts it, North American Protestantism, to pronounce certainty of going to Heaven. When we die, it is up to God whether we are let into Heaven or sent to hell.<br /><br />We also do not say that non-Christians are definitely going to hell. We, as Catholics, believe that there is a concept of 'invincible ignorance' and that Baptism can, in limited circumstances, be granted by desire. <br /><br />Those accusing the Church of molestation, all I can say is read the book Pedophiles and Priests by Philip Jenkins, an Episcopalian. He goes through, in statistical form, the reality that the problem, while terrible, is no greater than in Protestant sects.<br /><br />Mr. Keating's apology method is the antithesis to hyperbole. Like the Church or not (and thus his arguments), he very logically argues his case. Emotion (hyperbole) is getting crowds riled up repeating the same five word sentence while holding up Catholic teaching literature in a disrespectful manner, as if our Tradition were some ebola monkey. I have personally seen Baptists do this and it is VERY offensive.<br /><br />It has been the Church that has worked very hard to pursue echumenism. Please remember that we are trying very hard to strengthen Christ's visible Church through honest and respectful dialogue. <br /><br />When Protestant preachers call our leader, the sucessor of St. Peter, terrible names, it is a grave offense and we therefore have a right to respond. And that response is not a hissy fit.JDMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08198059536038070787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-62188751633756084272008-07-16T19:48:00.000-04:002008-07-16T19:48:00.000-04:00Keating is spot on in all his facts, criticisms, a...Keating is spot on in all his facts, criticisms, and arguments. He is MORE than justified in "throwing a hissy fit." You deluded Protestants are in denial. It is that simple. Moreover, depending upon the denomination - you have hundreds of different sects which all bicker and disagree with each other as to doctrine - [Luther and Calvin both excommunicated each other - what a joke] you have a most inadequate - and I am putting that kindly - comprehension of the Scriptures and even worse - an abysmal understanding of the history of the Apostolic Church.<BR/><BR/>The very word Reformation is a misnomer. Protestantism 'reformed' NOTHING. Reformation occurs from within, and whatever was wrong within the Church at the time was addressed and corrected at the Council of Trent. In fact, Protestantism is nothing more than rebellion against the Church and its founder - Jesus Christ - who handed the keys of authority to Peter and his successors.<BR/><BR/>And don't be so quick to accuse Catholic priests of buggery - I have plenty of cases assembled in my own files where Protestant ministers have been charged and convicted for the same vile offence.<BR/><BR/>People who live in glass houses ----that sort of thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-54450664820807126482008-01-28T16:04:00.000-05:002008-01-28T16:04:00.000-05:00North American Christianity has become so uniquely...North American Christianity has become so uniquely distinct from the rest of the world. What other culture has so many christian denominations at their disposal?<BR/>I work in a protestant church. There are a lot of angry catholics there whom blame the church for their anger. I'm quick to point out that the sin of one man doesn't represent the doctrine of the church. They need to separate the two. Unfortunately protestants love catholic bashing. They love to be angry and hateful towards catholics. They love to pull the trigger on Mary worship and Saint worship without knowing the concrete facts. As a protestant, I have come to understand these allegations as simply untrue. Then I started reading my own history. Henry VIII, reformation and the act of supremacy. Wow!<BR/>Talk about the sins of the protestant church. How about what the presbyterians were doing in Scotland?<BR/>We don't understand catholicism because we chose not to. We chose to be aversive and ignorant. That is the north american way.<BR/>I recommend Dr. Scott Hahn to everyone. A good read!!Natalia & Hrvojehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616666727442310425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-11008469660764597782008-01-07T17:03:00.000-05:002008-01-07T17:03:00.000-05:00Have you read Karl Keating's books? He does happe...Have you read Karl Keating's books? He does happen to give his arguments and reasons. Only if you can logically argue against them do you have grounds to do so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-6879817973774160952007-09-27T10:32:00.000-04:002007-09-27T10:32:00.000-04:00It is a free world, they say. Any body can attrib...It is a free world, they say. Any body can attribute any title or assume any office to himself. In our world of today, nobody questions that because he/she is free. There will always be followers who want to hear what they want, to hear what appeals to them not necessary what is pleasing to God, becuase no one cares anymore. If the constitutions of various governments of the world protect people from being queried about their claims, why should I query such fellows? One thing I know is that definetely we shall answer for whatever we do, say or claim or assume before God. Dr. MacArthur, the priests, the Pope and anyone who falls into the category are no exceptions. But let your conscience judge whether you are deceiving people to make a living and sending them to hell or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-19006460849420873062007-02-03T07:54:00.000-05:002007-02-03T07:54:00.000-05:00"Hissy fit"? What level of civility and decorum a..."Hissy fit"? What level of civility and decorum are we aiming to achieve here? Relavant to this discussion are Steve Hays' critique of Philip Blosser's critique of <i>sola scriptura</i>, "<a href="http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/12/by-scripture-alone_116761459386808418.html">By Scripture Alone,</a>" and Blosser's rebuttal, "<a href="http://catholictradition.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html#116811942690127319">Sola Scriptura revisited: a reply to Steve Hays (in 95 antitheses).</a>"Pertinacious Papisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03213911570586726075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-46694437978561036672007-02-02T12:39:00.000-05:002007-02-02T12:39:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pertinacious Papisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03213911570586726075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1162334935428407302006-10-31T17:48:00.000-05:002006-10-31T17:48:00.000-05:00"Remember, Keating makes his living as a full-time...<I>"Remember, Keating makes his living as a full-time Catholic apologist."</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, Karl sure doesn't forget to pay himself with those contributions that people send to <I>Catholic Answers.</I> As you can see from the following tax return, the first $5,000 a week they receive goes right into Karl's pocket. The same can be said for his business partner, Philip Lenahan. Keating and Lenahan are, incidentally, the only two members on <I>Catholic Answers</I> Board of Directors. It must be nice to set your own salary when others are paying that salary. <BR/><BR/> <A HREF="http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/953/754/2005-953754404-0258ed10-9.pdf" REL="nofollow">Click Here To See Catholic Answers' Latest Tax Return</A><BR/><BR/>Incidentally, why is Karl, an author and a lawyer, paying a ghost writer $65,000 a year to write appeal letters for him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1124996143987855082005-08-25T14:55:00.000-04:002005-08-25T14:55:00.000-04:00Well argued, Steve.Keating offers hyperbole versus...Well argued, Steve.<BR/><BR/>Keating offers hyperbole versus reasoning, nothing more. We aren't even offered the pro forma references to Matthew 16:18.EAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03649331234241764065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1124996014190776302005-08-25T14:53:00.000-04:002005-08-25T14:53:00.000-04:00And what would people say about Dr. MacArthur if h...And what would people say about Dr. MacArthur if he requested legal immunity from prosecution for covering for male subordinates seducing underage teenage boys?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1124994365376783022005-08-25T14:26:00.000-04:002005-08-25T14:26:00.000-04:00You forgot "alter Christus", which is the role eve...You forgot "alter Christus", which is the role every Catholic priest assumes at any mass they perform. I wonder what people would say about Dr. MacArthur if he called himself "alter Christus"? Would it be arrogant?FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.com