tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post112118329042577561..comments2024-03-27T17:15:37.606-04:00Comments on Triablogue: Objectivism & original sinRyanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17809283662428917799noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1163442507042623532006-11-13T13:28:00.000-05:002006-11-13T13:28:00.000-05:00"True, we are not free to choose our values."Says ..."True, we are not free to choose our values."<BR/><BR/>Says who?<BR/><BR/>"Where does morality come from in the first place?"<BR/><BR/>Not from God <BR/><BR/>"And why is survival suc a good thing?"<BR/><BR/>Why is death such a good thing? Are u serious when you ask this?<BR/><BR/>"Yes, and living for the moment in a riot of hedonistic excess, is one such choice—and a starkly rational choice given a secular outlook on life. It makes the best of a raw deal."<BR/><BR/>Why do Christians consider life on earth and living a "raw deal"? That's very uplifting!<BR/><BR/>Christianity has been the dread of man sense it came about and this is partly why. It holds that man is evil and that this world is evil. What a great code for life on earth!<BR/><BR/>"To begin with, life on earth is far from Edenic. We live in a fallen world in which we are cursed to labor by the sweat of our brow."<BR/><BR/>Christians feel life is a curse, at least your honest.<BR/><BR/>"Create values? And by what prior criterion does he judge a creative value to be valuable? Clearly he already has some ulterior standard that supplies the selection criteria. Where does that come from?"<BR/><BR/>It comes from reality. One can quickly observe that food is better than poison and that freedom is better than slavery and theocracy. One can observe a car is superior to walking if transportation is your goal.<BR/><BR/>Morality doesn't come from the boogieman, as you imply. It comes from man's need to make choices. You can either make objective and rational choices or not. If life is the standard then one must act in his own rational self interest. <BR/><BR/>If you feel man is low and sinful and life is a curse like most christians then of course an individual's life has no value and he must sacrifice his cursed existence in servitude.<BR/><BR/>"How does he make the good his goal unless he already knows what the goal ought to look like? "<BR/><BR/>He embraces reason. The writer is saying that if life is the standard than the good is that which promotes his life. He must choose to live rationally and objectively define his values and then act to gain or keep them.<BR/><BR/>"Objectivism is on the same moral plane as social Darwinism and lifeboat ethics. "<BR/><BR/>based on what?<BR/><BR/>"So, given a choice, which would an atheist rather be—Stalin, living at ease with his every whim attended to; or one of his victims, rotting away in a Siberian labor camp? "<BR/><BR/>an atheist would rather be neither. If one is rational you don't go around like Stalin and kill people in the name of sacrifice to the "public good". That is what a Christian does but replaces "public good" with God.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1121201730568030282005-07-12T16:55:00.000-04:002005-07-12T16:55:00.000-04:00Travis:John Hendryx has compiled an index of mater...Travis:<BR/><BR/>John Hendryx has compiled an index of material at his website, Monergism.com .<BR/><BR/>The URL is here:<BR/><BR/>http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/topic/freewill.htmlGeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1121201537493854332005-07-12T16:52:00.000-04:002005-07-12T16:52:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.GeneMBridgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10504383610477532374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6789188.post-1121195717801340582005-07-12T15:15:00.000-04:002005-07-12T15:15:00.000-04:00The classic exposition is Jonathan Edwards' Inquir...The classic exposition is Jonathan Edwards' Inquiry on the Freedom of [the] Will. A summary can be found in Paul Helm's book on Divine Providence.<BR/><BR/>Online treatments, not from a Christian perspective, include:<BR/><BR/>http://www.rep.routledge.com/article/V014SECT1<BR/><BR/>For more in-depth coverage, there's:<BR/><BR/>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/<BR/><BR/>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/compatibilism/supplement.htmlstevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16547070544928321788noreply@blogger.com